- Dec 27, 2012
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So if 10 years from now Maryland is once again a free state, I guess Beretta should just uproot from wherever they moved to and move back to Maryland right?
I am always amused when people bash a gun manufacturer!? Do think Beretta wanted ANY part of SB281?? Do you think they are anti 2 Second Amendment.....PLEASE! They MAKE firearms for crying out loud! You would be better served by not wasting your energy fighting somebody on OUR side and refocus on the politicians that want to disregard the Constitution!! Burn all your bridges and not focus on the REAL problem and you will be left to buy only Crossman air guns before long!
I will never purchase one of their products.
not because they didn't move. Because they didn't FIGHT for us. They carved out their exceptions.
They carved out their exceptions.
They benefit from sb281. Their new ar style platform (arx) was magically unscathed by the law. So they no longer compete with colt, bushmaster etc. big government and big business go hand in hand my friend.
Some ron paul types swear that behind the scenes republicans and dems laugh at us. Its all a show....they fight in front of camera but really care about money and power. Im starting to see how someone could hold that view in this instance.
So i say this: the difference between magpul and beretta is the former is run by an ex marine and the latter a board of directors. Beretta is penny wise, pound foolish.
No Berettas for me.......ever.
So if 10 years from now Maryland is once again a free state, I guess Beretta should just uproot from wherever they moved to and move back to Maryland right?
You obviously Live in a happy world with the liberals of this state! and have no Idea of the real world and what it takes to not only run a business. But have employees with families ! I'm glad in your fairy world everyone can just uproot and do your bidding! As for the rest of us in the real world we will make the best of a bad situation, and fight this war for our 2nd Ammendment Rights ! Care to join us ? Or just continue to piss and moan ?
If Beretta wasn't willing to leave, they shouldn't have threatened to do it. In my mind, that's all there is to it.
If, in 10 years, Beretta had moved elsewhere and threatened that state with another move over some other bill, they absolutely should move again if that state doesn't listen to them.
If they don't follow through (now or in some future hypothetical), their word is meaningless and they might as well stay home and not say anything.
So, what they're saying is, the pistol I want to buy should be a Sig...
What makes all of you such experts in manufacturing and equipment moving ????? This was a extreamly hard desicision for Beretta! It would have costed the company 10's of millions of dollars !! There is no ready to go facility just over the bridge !!! Its a storage warehouse !! Unlike magPul that had injection molding equipment Which I might add are very easy to move and set up. Beretta requires over a 200000 Amp power service! There is many EPA Issues dealing with the Chrome line, Anodizing, Brunitron,Blueing,The DMP, Heat treating with caustic soda !Then there is the lead issues with the shooting tubes and EPA permits required before moving and redoing the building! Then they have 1200 HP of air compressors. Hundreds of mile of wires and air lines to power there equipment. Then there is moving and set up of there machines. The Matsui siki's took over a year to set up and thats just 6 machining centers! thay have several hundred ! then down time and not being able to deliver on contracts.There is Mag partical and metrololigy that needs a clean rooms that need a consistant air quality and temp.Beretta has its own tool grinding group that needs special air ventilation system. so does there polishing area. And what about the people that have been there 15-20 years? The avarage employee has been there 18 years. So what makes this a no brainer to just jump over the bridge??? I mentioned just a small bit of what needs to be done.You can love them or hate them . But if you have ever been there and seen both the tolarance , quality and Innovation You could better understand and appriciate what it takes to make a gun!
BERETTA CANNOT BREAK ITS CONTRACT WITH THE GOV'T. IF THEY DECIDED TO BREAK THE CONTRACT THEN THEY WILL BE DEBARRED TO MAKE A CONTRACT WITH GOV'T ON ALL LEVEL (FEDERAL, STATE, AND LOCAL). THAT IS A SUICIDE MOVE ON BERETTA. PLEASE UNDERSTAND THIS.
Beretta's biggest customer is Gov't. Please give the respect where it is due at.
I get the feeling people who are defending beretta weren't in Annapolis for 10-12 hour days like some of us. So its reasonable for them to think Beretta did a swell job fighting the bill.
I was. I went to Annapolis 6 times. I walked back to the stadium parking lot at 3:30 AM on that famous night in the House.
I watched the Beretta guys get their balls busted when one of the legislators said something to the effect of, "Tell me about the gun laws in Italy. Is it legal for the citizens of Italy to purchase the guns you manufacture there?" If I remember they danced around a direct answer but the point was made. I have no love affair with Beretta any more than other manufacturers. I think they are in a catch 22. Maybe they bluffed but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that they were throwing everything at it that they had.
Maryland needs more gun manufacturers, not fewer.
I will never purchase one of their products. Not because they didn't move. Because they didn't FIGHT for us. ...but if they chose to ignore me as a customer, I chose to ignore them as a manufacturer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_&_Wesson#Agreement_of_2000
...look what can happen if you piss off the gun community.
I suggest our membership refuse joining a circular firing squad and leave that to the politicians.