Does “Commit to Buy” button override a well-documented, seller buyer agreement?

[occbrian]

Lession learned!
Please notice "Jr. Member" under my name.

My very fest post on MDS was about this very issue so I feel your pain haha.


Sent from my fire using smoke.

 

[rj1974]

Lession learned!
Please notice "Jr. Member" under my name.

You asked a question and we are answering

No one is bashing you ................................... Yet


Seriously though we have all lost out on some cool stuff from our own lack of due diligence , just learn from it .

 

[Vile Shadow]

Seriously though we have all lost out on some cool stuff from our own lack of due diligence , just learn from it .

I haven't....yet.

But I'll keep that in mind.

 

[2dogsbarking]

Since I’m the one who stated this thread, let me finish it -after a day’s reflection.
If the positions were reversed and I was the seller, and an agreement / deal was completed by PMs and an unknown 3rd party then claimed first rights on the purchase because he had hit the commit to buy button first. I would explain the situation as it was =2 newbes had already made the deal, not marking the ad as a pending sale, or not pushing the commit to buy button first were beginners mistakes, apologize, and politely ask him to back off. If he still demanded or tried intimidation, I’d tell him to F off.

For me, a written agreement is as good as a FTF handshake on a deal and DOES override any straightforward mistake. So if anyone can’t deal with the concept that an agreement between two men overrides technology or “the rules”, ignore me, don’t do deals with me, or, kick me out.

 

[Mark75H]

Since I’m the one who stated this thread, let me finish it -after a day’s reflection.
If the positions were reversed and I was the seller, and an agreement / deal was completed by PMs and an unknown 3rd party then claimed first rights on the purchase because he had hit the commit to buy button first. I would explain the situation as it was =2 newbes had already made the deal, not marking the ad as a pending sale, or not pushing the commit to buy button first were beginners mistakes, apologize, and politely ask him to back off. If he still demanded or tried intimidation, I’d tell him to F off.

For me, a written agreement is as good as a FTF handshake on a deal and DOES override any straightforward mistake. So if anyone can’t deal with the concept that an agreement between two men overrides technology or “the rules”, ignore me, don’t do deals with me, or, kick me out.

So, by your opinion ... you write your own rules, regardless

 

[rj1974]

For me, a written agreement is as good as a FTF handshake on a deal and DOES override any straightforward mistake. So if anyone can’t deal with the concept that an agreement between two men overrides technology or “the rules”, ignore me, don’t do deals with me, or, kick me out.

There are rules to being a member here and using the services provided by the forum . YOU agreed to them when YOU decided YOU wanted to be a MEMBER .

Enjoy your stay while it lasts . If this is going to be your attitude you probably won't be around long

 

[fivepointstar]

here we go again!!!

I hit a Commit to Buy and lost the item to a discussion...

 

[sxs]

While we're on Commit to Buy, I want to see what everyone thinks about this:

I there ever a valid reason to NOT follow through with a Commit to Buy? The only reasons I can think of is that the item was incorrectly specified or something (condition maybe) was grossly overstated. No, never had any problem with this, but have wondered....especially since I initiated a FTF purchase without a Commit one time.

I once went to see an item as I wanted to be sure it was exactly what I wanted, in the condition I was expecting, and I ended up buying it on the spot! Maybe I unknowingly violated something here and if so, I rather be corrected by the users of the forum than dressed down or having action taken by the moderators. FWIW, I came home and then clicked 'Commit' and the deal was done...no problem arose. (And no, I don't have a smart phone to do so right then and there....I have what I refer to a dumb-azz phone, lol). However, after reading this thread, I'm not sure what the proper way to handle things should be. I thought I had already asked this question on this thread, but I don't see it here, so I am reposting as I don't know if I just failed to click 'submit'. However, since I don't see it, I am reposting these questions.

 

[rwbow1969]

There are rules to being a member here and using the services provided by the forum . YOU agreed to them when YOU decided YOU wanted to be a MEMBER . Enjoy your stay while it lasts . If this is going to be your attitude you probably won't be around long

The truth is strong here ^^^^.

 

[rseymorejr]

I look at "commit to buy" as a done deal, like using "buy it now" on gunbroker. Since these deals are done over the internet there has to be a way to be fair. Since the seller and potential buyers aren't looking at each other no one knows what deals are being worked on. The first person to offer the asking price wins and hitting CTB is the only way to let everyone else know the item was sold. If you negotiate a lower price and come to an agreement the CTB should be hit as a courtesy to other potential buyers.
If a seller is actively negotiating with someone he should be able to put that message in the ad. With all that being said, once a seller makes a agreement with a buyer they should follow through with it.

 

[smokedog]

When I sell something and pm's are sent I tell the buyer to "commit to buy" if we have reached a deal. If buyer does not ask me to delete the ad or they do not CTB and somebody else does CTB they get it.
Commit to buy trumps pm's.

 

[Crab Bait]

Since I’m the one who stated this thread, let me finish it -after a day’s reflection.
If the positions were reversed and I was the seller, and an agreement / deal was completed by PMs and an unknown 3rd party then claimed first rights on the purchase because he had hit the commit to buy button first. I would explain the situation as it was =2 newbes had already made the deal, not marking the ad as a pending sale, or not pushing the commit to buy button first were beginners mistakes, apologize, and politely ask him to back off. If he still demanded or tried intimidation, I’d tell him to F off.

For me, a written agreement is as good as a FTF handshake on a deal and DOES override any straightforward mistake. So if anyone can’t deal with the concept that an agreement between two men overrides technology or “the rules”, ignore me, don’t do deals with me, or, kick me out.

I would agree with you to a point. If the final "ok" in the agreement is sent there must be some "slop" time allowed before the ad is removed. Theoretically it can't instantaneously be removed - there will always be some (at least seconds) where someone else could "commit to buy". And with all aspects of a legal contract reached through private messages the first contract would then trump the "commit to buy" IMHO.

 

[Infantry23]

I don't disagree with the CTB trump... but i will say there is something to be said for a man's word without the need to be held to the fire by the CTB. What I'm saying is doing the right thing isn't based on formalities IMO.

 

[PGTMG]

I have been on both sides of this. Meaning I hit CTB but the seller sold it to someone else. I did not like it but that is the was. I have also been in your position and it was not great either.
But the rules are the rules.

 

[mbz300sdl]

Since I’m the one who stated this thread, let me finish it -after a day’s reflection.
If the positions were reversed and I was the seller, and an agreement / deal was completed by PMs and an unknown 3rd party then claimed first rights on the purchase because he had hit the commit to buy button first. I would explain the situation as it was =2 newbes had already made the deal, not marking the ad as a pending sale, or not pushing the commit to buy button first were beginners mistakes, apologize, and politely ask him to back off. If he still demanded or tried intimidation, I’d tell him to F off.

For me, a written agreement is as good as a FTF handshake on a deal and DOES override any straightforward mistake. So if anyone can’t deal with the concept that an agreement between two men overrides technology or “the rules”, ignore me, don’t do deals with me, or, kick me out.

I bet we can arrange that.

 

[breimer273]

I would agree with you to a point. If the final "ok" in the agreement is sent there must be some "slop" time allowed before the ad is removed. Theoretically it can't instantaneously be removed - there will always be some (at least seconds) where someone else could "commit to buy". And with all aspects of a legal contract reached through private messages the first contract would then trump the "commit to buy" IMHO.

I don't disagree with the CTB trump... but i will say there is something to be said for a man's word without the need to be held to the fire by the CTB. What I'm saying is doing the right thing isn't based on formalities IMO.

I've never bought anything on this site but I agree with these two posts. I understand the rules say CTB is God, but I personally would not honor a CTB if I had already agreed on selling it to someone else who maybe had not hit the CTB because he had a question before he wanted to commit or wanted to negotiate something. Now if the negotiations are not finished when somebody hits a CTB then obviously the CTB is the winner.

 

[breimer273]

I bet we can arrange that.

I'm sorry but if the admins are going to kick someone out for keeping their word and sharing their opinion then I have lost respect for this forum.

 

[ericoak]

If you already had a deal agreed upon, then the item was already sold.

Same thing if someone hit commit to buy and you had already sold it through another site. Sorry, its gone.

 

[Cochise]

a deal is a deal a button on the inter web don't mean shite. CTB cant be enforced if the buyer backs out so it is nice but meaningless.
I would honor the discussed deal.
The button just shows someone else's stated intent

 

[HeatSeeker]

So basically we can never actually contact a seller to inquire about an item and negotiate a price or make an offer because while we are negotiating someone can hit CTB and we are out of luck even if we have reached a deal.

If I have an item for sale and you contact me and we agree to a deal, it is yours, no matter what else happens.