- May 22, 2005
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Gotta say that this is mighty enticing:
http://www.jrhenterprises.com/Night-Fighter-Combo-PVS14-IR-Laser-ACH-Helmet-NFStandRed.htm
http://www.jrhenterprises.com/Night-Fighter-Combo-PVS14-IR-Laser-ACH-Helmet-NFStandRed.htm
Was checking out the civilian legal Class 1 IR lasers and saw this one.
https://tnvc.com/shop/ldi-cqbl-1-class1-ir-laser/
Steiner is a reputable company and I like the compactness on this.
They go on and on about it being good for SBRs, but is there anything that makes it unsuitable for a typical M4gery?
This is the one I just got as it has an IR illuminator as well
http://tnvc.com/shop/ldi-dbal-d2-class-1-ir-laser/
Gotta say that this is mighty enticing:
http://www.jrhenterprises.com/Night-Fighter-Combo-PVS14-IR-Laser-ACH-Helmet-NFStandRed.htm
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In 5-10 years they will be down to a few hundred bucks...
...No. They won't. Actually, price has gone up (albeit just a little, but it's still the opposite of down) the last couple years. That said, a good thermal unit doesn't cost 10 grand. ...
...I have yet to see any technology that does not get cheaper as time goes on. .... I don't see anything in them that will keep the value up as demand falls and technology improves. If I am missing something please explain why it will not follow the NV example?
.....unless someone comes out with a *MAJOR* breakthrough technologically in the next year or two, don't expect prices to drop nearly as much as NV has, if at all.
the D760 series of gen 3 NV scopes have only come down about 2%-3% or thereabouts the last 3 years. That's not much of a decrease. Most NV has gone up lately, because gen 3 has been the top of the heap. The way NV works, there likely won't be much innovation on the consumer market for a long time to come, so stuff will likely just increase from here on out with inflation.
Great, one time I get to tell someone "I TOLD YOU SO" and you banned him! Just my luck!
Here is some Thermal Scopes for as low as $575!!!
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/9...-mini-thermal-imager-1x-picatinny-mount-matte
So I told you so even if you are not around to hear it!!!!!!!!!!
I got to check them out at the SAR Show and they are pretty awesome! I might have to get one. The 9hz is to slow but the 30hz is very awesome!
^This. Its a 80 x 60 res microbolometer array. It would take exactly 16 of those to equal the 10yr old FLIR unit I have at work. Like comparing a yugo to a Buggati. (FWIW, The price per pixel is about 2x a higher res unit = not a step in the right direction...)I wouldn't use that for shooting indoors at a range at a known target in broad daylight.
I wouldn't use that for shooting indoors at a range at a known target in broad daylight.
its no more than a seek thermal ($199) with a pic rail and a tiny display. the dog in the picture? less than 10' away. at 50' it would be a tiny round blob. It's nothing more than a proof of concept, and even though its for sale, its not ready for prime time. and that's not even asking why anyone would want a lcd illuminating their face in the dark.
^This. Its a 80 x 60 res microbolometer array. It would take exactly 16 of those to equal the 10yr old FLIR unit I have at work. Like comparing a yugo to a Buggati. (FWIW, The price per pixel is about 2x a higher res unit = not a step in the right direction...)
Yes its cool but limited use. Our FLIR is 320x240 (QVGA) and is really the bare MINIMUM I think anyone would find useful. I've taken it home on multiple occasions and had fun with it. Anything less is just using image processing algorithms to make stuff look sharper, the the real data isn't actually there. I just looked up our camera in our PO list. Bought for $14,500 on 24.Jan.2007. An ATN thermal w/ the same QVGA res is now $3k (and prob has a faster update rate.) Full VGA (4x the pixels = 2x the resolution) is $5k+. Our system doesn't have zoom either. You have to swap large expensive germanium crystal lenses.Come on guys, its pretty cool!
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Yes but your 10 year old FLIR is still like $5K! This is a lot cheaper.
How long have you been retired Gunny? No spinning mirrors or cooled sensors in modern thermal systems. -70K is impossibly cold tooActive ... ( Mirror spinning at 30Hz) and frequency absorption on Dewar Assembly at -70 Degrees kelvin
Yes its cool but limited use. Our FLIR is 320x240 (QVGA) and is really the bare MINIMUM I think anyone would find useful. I've taken it home on multiple occasions and had fun with it. Anything less is just using image processing algorithms to make stuff look sharper, the the real data isn't actually there. I just looked up our camera in our PO list. Bought for $14,500 on 24.Jan.2007. An ATN thermal w/ the same QVGA res is now $3k (and prob has a faster update rate.) Full VGA (4x the pixels = 2x the resolution) is $5k+. Our system doesn't have zoom either. You have to swap large expensive germanium crystal lenses.
http://www.atncorp.com/thermal-weapon-sights..
Remind me and I'll bring our flir camera out (we still need to do that shrike test!) You can decide for yourself if it would be useful using only 1/16 of the screen area
Not the physical size but the # of pixels (its literally 1/16 the # of pixels of our QVGA unit.) And at a range where you can see real situations.
...However if all you care about is a head shot its fine.
Yeah, if they are 10' from you Wait until you see what something at 50yds looks like. I have *FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE* trying to spot our old dog across my yard in the dark w/ a QVGA sensor. Not holding something at a show that "seemed fine". I don't know how better to convey a 80x60 sensor will be WORTHLESS on a rifle.
Most of these are ~1x optical mag. A human at distance is narrower than a pixel:
The T12 has a 25deg field of view /80 pixels horiz = 19 MOA/pixel. So a 8" target (approx width of my head) is 1 pixel TOTAL at 50yd. At a 100yds is beyond useless. Still think you could hit a 8" target?
The ATN is ~21deg FOV / 320 = 4 MOA/pixel. 8" target = 4 pixels across (16 total) @ 50, 2 pixels wide (4 total) @ 100yd.
Edit: I might have saved screen captures from it. Will search when I get home. I found a rabbit w/ it once (we had tons before the hawks moved in next door) but I was prob <10' away.
Issues, sure but its pretty cool. I kind of think of it like a fast fire type red dot. Added to a pistol or as a secondary on top of an ACOG or.... it would be awesome to add to a NV setup.
As far as the comparison to the seek, sure but how do you add that to a gun?
I don't know guys its really pretty cool! I might wait for the price to come down a bit but I see myself getting one down the road.
I'm thinking of getting my first NVG, mostly just for fun. I figure that I'll take the "buy once, cry once" route and get a quality Gen III PVS-14.
For those in the know:
Is TNVC still the go-to vendor for reasonably priced PVS-14s?
I notice that they (TVNC) have "blem" units from time to time for a discount - any reason NOT go go with one of these?
Thanks in advance!