Petition for Concealed Carry for Veterans

[dblas]

So, I have gone back and looked at the petition again.

It states "There are currently 5 reason listed that are considered "Good and Substantial" reasons for applying for a Maryland CCL."

This is entirely misleading, in that there are absolutely NO "reasons" or "classes" enumerated in the MD Annotated code, for Owner/employee of a business, corrections officers, former LEOs, PI/Security Guards/etc, or Personal Protection.

Likewise, none of the above listed "reasons" or classes" are listed in COMAR 29.03.02.

Where they are listed, is on the application for a wear and carry permit, so what the petition really wants to do is add an additional notation for veterans. This is not done via the legislature as this is an administrative action performed by MSP in the creation of the application.

I believe (I may be wrong) that the way to get this changed/updated is the same process as getting COMAR updated/amended.

 

[rambling_one]

women - At least then my wife could defend the family.

In general I think this tactic would cause more division among an already fracturing gun owning population. This 'carve in' tactic is in effect gerrymandering the system and we've see how well that works out.

At least if it were women then the men could argue discrimination and force the issue.

The Dems are fond of reminding us that there's a war on women. Women in war should be armed!

 

[rambling_one]

Could you please tell us who is trying to get in your way of getting a permit? Do you think this because some of us don't want to sign a meaningless online petition? I am all for you and everyone else getting a permit in MD. So fill out your application, get the required documents in order, and send it to:

Maryland State Police
Licensing Division
1111 Reisterstown Road
Pikesville, MD 21208
ATTN: Handgun Permit Unit

This is how I did it. I resent the fact that you think that I or anyone else with a permit is trying to stand in your way of getting a permit simply because we did what this state requires at this time.

Just curious - under what special class did you fall?

 

[Bald Fat Guy]

Until Shall Issue is forced upon us from above, our medimum term goal is to increase the number of people holding an Active Permit , and the number of people going about armed. These are two different things , with only a degree of overlap.

As it is , Retired Mil has HQL exemption , and former service has training exemption. IF we can somehow finese additional advantages anywhere in the various processes for these people, they are a big subgroup of population, and that could be a step to the above medimum term goal. Don't know offhand if there is a good way to finese that. Heck if we could finese to ease the way for lefthanded redheads , it's still increasing the numbers of armed people.

And for the record I am neither Vetran , lefthanded , nor redhead.

 

[HeatSeeker]

Just curious - under what special class did you fall?

While I would have loved to have been in the Doctors or Lawyers class or even the Business Owners Class, I had to apply under the Assaulted, Injured, and Threatened class. The one perc to this class is, no restrictions.

 

[Minuteman]

While I would have loved to have been in the Doctors or Lawyers class or even the Business Owners Class, I had to apply under the Assaulted, Injured, and Threatened class. The one perc to this class is, no restrictions.

No one should have restrictions, it's silly to think a person who passes all the hurdles of training, background investigation, licensing, certification, getting a permit, et al; but then can only carry to and from or only while engaged in whatever activity they listed. These restrictions are ridiculous.

I've known retired police officers that got a hard time getting a permit in the past. Some were told, you've been retired too long, no threat to you, or your agency is too small or out of state.

Even if you get a permit for legitimate 'threats', they could not reapprove you next time. This is what happened to instigate one of the lawsuits (see Wollard case). We all need to fight together so some state trooper who is allowed to carry a gun, sitting at a desk acting under political pressure to be overly restrictive on who gets a permit, decides if you have a "good and substantial" enough reason to be allowed to protect yourself or others. This is capricious, clearly wrong and must change.

 

[teratos]

Of course, who doesn't understand this. No one automatically gets a permit everyone must demonstrate G&S. Who's saying otherwise?

I think there are a lot of folks who think doctors, lawyers automatically just get on. They have it listed on the application. If you just read that, you would think doctor = automatic permit. They don't specify anything otherwise.

 

[navycraig]

OK I guess now I have to ask the hard question. No disrespect intended here, but what makes a veteran more qualified to carry than a non-veteran? A veteran could be a 22 year old guy that served 2 years in the Army. How is he more qualified to carry than a 40 year old guy that has owned firearms and has been shooting and hunting for the past 30 years? It isn't always the seasoned veteran that put in 25 years that we are talking about here, but your way would be to check the veteran box and pick up your permit.

As far as retired LE having permits, that to me is a no brainer. We are basically talking about people that have been in LE for 20+ years. Have been trained and have been carrying a firearm everyday for 20+ years.

A 22 year old veteran that served after attending basic training and receiving weapons instruction and qualification. I'd venture to say that he/she has more training and experience than *most* folks who have a permit.

As far as G&S for vets, it's easy. There are many "hate groups" out there that despise the military, military members and military vets. I'd say they are just as much of a target as a retired LE officer and more of a target than the average Joe that figured out how to work the system to get their permit.

 

[BlackBart]

A 22 year old veteran that served after attending basic training and receiving weapons instruction and qualification. I'd venture to say that he/she has more training and experience than *most* folks who have a permit.

As far as G&S for vets, it's easy. There are many "hate groups" out there that despise the military, military members and military vets. I'd say they are just as much of a target as a retired LE officer and more of a target than the average Joe that figured out how to work the system to get their permit.

It's also a good bet they were probably trained "correctly".

 

[Schipperke]

It's also a good bet they were probably trained "correctly".

Doesn't Maryland require training for a CC permit? Is this not done correctly?

 

[BlackBart]

Doesn't Maryland require training for a CC permit? Is this not done correctly?

Could be BUT the HQL and military should be and is exempt. Fair nuff as far as I'm concerned.

 

[MDFF2008]

The Dems are fond of reminding us that there's a war on women. Women in war should be armed!

No, because 100% of rapes are committed by ninjas who sneak up on their victim with no warning, or so I'm told by liberals.

 

[mdram]

Could be BUT the HQL and military should be and is exempt. Fair nuff as far as I'm concerned.

i sorta disagree
all laws should apply to everyone equally
if i cant buy a mag over 10 rounds, neither can the police
if i cant have a light profile ar15, neither can the police
if i need an hql, so do the cops and military
ect ect


IF all laws applied equally, then maybe we wouldnt have stupid laws

 

[Blaster229]

Former military LEO's may carry under LEOSA now.

 

[StantonCree]

Former military LEO's may carry under LEOSA now.

10 year MP requirement as well?

 

[BlackBart]

i sorta disagree
all laws should apply to everyone equally
if i cant buy a mag over 10 rounds, neither can the police
if i cant have a light profile ar15, neither can the police
if i need an hql, so do the cops and military
ect ect


IF all laws applied equally, then maybe we wouldnt have stupid laws

Disagree all you like, I don't much GAF........ I HAD my training both in and out of country, have you? So what, I don't need to attend classes, skin off your balls?

 

[Blaster229]

10 year MP requirement as well?

Yeppers. It can be Aggregate time and not continuous time. Not so much a problem for an MP. But say you were employed for 5 years, sold cars for 2 and then became a cop again for 5 more with a total of 10 years time, a person is good to go.

 

[mdram]

Disagree all you like, I don't much GAF........ I HAD my training both in and out of country, have you? So what, I don't need to attend classes, skin off your balls?

i dont disagree on the qualifications

just on special classes of people
everyone should be equal in the eyes of the law

 

[Blaster229]

How relevant is someone's training if the last time they picked up a pistol was in 'Nam?

 

[PJDiesel]

How relevant is someone's training if the last time they picked up a pistol was in 'Nam?

Good point.