The Gadget: an additional safety device for Glock pistols

[RoadDawg]

Can 'The Gadget' be used on a lightsaber?

Only on a 1911 Gov model .308 with a shoulder thing that goes up, and any of the Glock revolvers. May the farce be with you.

 

[jessestone]

Disclaimer: I have not read thru this entire thread so I'm probably repeating points made by others.

- This gadget will promote bad habits that if tried on another firearm could lead to injury.

- I see that thumb trick as a lack of positive control of the grip. Hold something without using your thumb and have someone try and take it from you.

How does it promote bad habits that could lead to injury?

 

[Traveler]

How does it promote bad habits that could lead to injury?

You are busy pushing on a third party add-on, instead of focusing on trigger discipline. Keeping your booger hook off the trigger is the first rule. There is no substitute.

 

[Blaster229]

Well hell. Let's go one step further. Keep your thumb on it when you are DRAWING it out of your SERPA. They can sell combo packs.

 

[Threeband]

You are busy pushing on a third party add-on, instead of focusing on trigger discipline. Keeping your booger hook off the trigger is the first rule. There is no substitute.

You merely establish the habit of resting your thumb on the slide as you reholster.
Go re-read my post.

People are really making a big deal out of this, apparently without grasping how it's used.

As you holster the revolver, just rest your thumb lightly on the hammer.
If anything snags the trigger, causing the hammer to begin to rise, you will immediately feel it and stop what you're doing.

If you make it a habit to rest your thumb on the hammer as you reholster, that habit will quickly become just as much a part of your muscle memory as is the habit of indexing your trigger finger away from the trigger.

It will not require an "extra step".

Now is it necessary? Is it important? Perhaps if you're a little uncertain about your gun handling, it might make you feel a little better. It can't hurt with the revolver, and it requires no modification of the gun.

Of course, no Real Man would ever admit any uncertainty about anything on the Internet.

It certainly could have prevented some of Barney Fife's NDs.

There's nothing wrong with developing the muscle memory habit of resting your thumb on the back of the hammer or slide. If nothing else, it gives your thumb a "job", and keeps it out of trouble.



I took a couple of classes with Pat Goodale, as I believe some others here have. I know Norton trained with him. Anyway, Pat does rest his thumb on the slide of his Glock 19 in exactly that way, and he encourages his students to do the same thing.(This has nothing to do with this Gadget: Pat's G19 is unmodified.)

I never quite got the reason Pat encouraged that practice. I shoot an M&P, and the beavertail on my gun makes Pat's "thumb on the slide" thing impossible, so I never adopted the practice. Perhaps Pat sees it as providing a little extra certainty in the reholstering, I don't know. No harm in it that I can see.

Anyway, the "thumb on the slide" thing could almost immediately become part of one's muscle memory holstering routine, and in that case, there would be no additional step in using this Gadget. It would be entirely passive and unconscious, the same as the muscle memory routine of removing your damn finger from the trigger as the gun comes off target (and long, long before it is reholstered.)


This Gadget does require modifying the gun with a non-standard part, though.

Disclaimer:
I am not an Operator, LE, or any type of Ninja.
I shoot an M&P. I do own a Glock, but rarely shoot it.

I have no interest in this product, but I'll say I cannot see it addressing any "finger on trigger" issue. Your damn finger should be off the damn trigger LONG LONG before you reholster. If your problem is keeping your finger on the trigger as you reholster, then you have much bigger problems than any this Gadget can help you with.

I do not understand why those guys who were pushing this thing didn't say that back on page 5 of this thread. All that talk about a finger still on the trigger? This thing only comes into play as the gun is holstered. For a third time I repeat, your finger better be off the trigger long before that point.

The only use I see for this thing is those rare cases when clothing, jacket cords, or small furry animals interfere with the holster, and of course, those things will be swept clear 999,999 times out of 1,000,000,000.

 

[jessestone]

I guess were on different pages here. I believe most of us are thinking regular Joe Schmoe CC.

As someone who has done the things your mentioned above (never with a revolver though!!! ) The safariland ALS Duty Holster has more then enough of a gaping hole (no laughs necessary) to where I've never had an issue. The only issue I've ever had was chasing a guy with a BEAUTIFUL Ithica 1911 and after he threw it I had trouble reholstering my gun thanks to my shirt getting caught in my Serpa.

The average CCWer is not going to reholster his boom boom stick until the threat is either.........A)Dead........or B) So far away that shooting is just a waste..........and then you have all the time in the world to put it away

90% of ALL LEO and Civilian gun fights are the old saying 3 rounds, 3 seconds, 3 feet/yards (I can't remember). There should be NO RUSH to put back the Ole' hip paperwight unless you here "Police drop then gun," and then it shouldn't be holstered you probably should just drop that 1200 dollar H&K

I get what your saying here and 100% respect you time! Who is still around that originally was using a revolver?? Unless you started with the whole OC Summer Cop thing (don't take that as a bash!!!!!!) The amount of Time you have put in sounds remarkable! But I've said it once in this thread and I'll say it again........."It's like wearing a life vest while driving." With all that being said Hey this is America and these fine and not so fine Gents that frequent this forum are free to spend their hard earned cash on whatever they like and if they get one of these things..........I pray it serves them well!

Damn you make me feel old!!!!! lol

Truth be told I got in this job at age 21, took a few years off and missed it and came back in, I have about 23 years on.....

I carried a revolver twice on the job, once the first year I began in the job and for another job after switching agencies, besides carrying one for a backup for several years. When I switched to semi's, it was S&W 3rd generation (4506) and then a 92F. I have always trained to have my thumb on the hammer/back of slide when holstering....both to feel it the hammer was moving or the slide was going out of battery. Even with a Glock or M&P I think this has merit.

I will also say that I loved the S&W 3rd generation guns and would still carry one today on duty if I was allowed.....they were feakin tanks and indestructable.....I never knew one to fail its operator and I like steel framed guns. While Glocks are great weapons, they do have their flaws. I disagree with roaddawg that the Glock has 3 safeties....that's like saying a revolver has a safety because of the hammer block, its the company blowing smoke up your backside to make you fell warm and fuzzy. If something gets in the triggerguard, be it finger, string, or other object, you will hear a loud boom.

I also know of the developers of the gadget and have respect for them and what they do. I do believe they are attempting to fix a believed flaw in the weapons design. I think the idea has merit, but I am not sure the design is one I like (the back plate flapping open and close disturbs me). I would be willing to play with one. I do not think any agency would ever use such a device because you would be modifing the firearm in a non-standard manner.

Just some thoughts....

MDPC4511, I also used a thing called a typewriter to write reports once lol

 

[jessestone]

You are busy pushing on a third party add-on, instead of focusing on trigger discipline. Keeping your booger hook off the trigger is the first rule. There is no substitute.

No offense traveler, I can chew gum and walk....way before striker fired pistols we had things called revolvers, S&W 3rd geherations pistols and the 92F.....we holstered with a thumb on the hammer/slide and was still able to concentrate on trigger discipline.

 

[lx1x]

Damn you make me feel old!!!!! lol



Truth be told I got in this job at age 21, took a few years off and missed it and came back in, I have about 23 years on.....



I carried a revolver twice on the job, once the first year I began in the job and for another job after switching agencies, besides carrying one for a backup for several years. When I switched to semi's, it was S&W 3rd generation (4506) and then a 92F. I have always trained to have my thumb on the hammer/back of slide when holstering....both to feel it the hammer was moving or the slide was going out of battery. Even with a Glock or M&P I think this has merit.



I will also say that I loved the S&W 3rd generation guns and would still carry one today on duty if I was allowed.....they were feakin tanks and indestructable.....I never knew one to fail its operator and I like steel framed guns. While Glocks are great weapons, they do have their flaws. I disagree with roaddawg that the Glock has 3 safeties....that's like saying a revolver has a safety because of the hammer block, its the company blowing smoke up your backside to make you fell warm and fuzzy. If something gets in the triggerguard, be it finger, string, or other object, you will hear a loud boom.



I also know of the developers of the gadget and have respect for them and what they do. I do believe they are attempting to fix a believed flaw in the weapons design. I think the idea has merit, but I am not sure the design is one I like (the back plate flapping open and close disturbs me). I would be willing to play with one. I do not think any agency would ever use such a device because you would be modifing the firearm in a non-standard manner.



Just some thoughts....



MDPC4511, I also used a thing called a typewriter to write reports once lol

You may not like or admit.. But. Glock does have three.. All internal /passive.

https://us.glock.com/technology/safe-action

Now.. Do we need to ignore other gun handling safety? Hope not.. Any guns can fail.

 

[Blaster229]

MDPC4511, I also used a thing called a typewriter to write reports once lol

And got bulletins from the TELETYPE.

 

[BradMacc82]

You must have ape hands if you can keep your thumb on the striker plate of an M&P while holstering, I can't get my thumb over the beavertail.

But I can re-holster with my finger off the trigger...

 

[Threeband]

You must have ape hands if you can keep your thumb on the striker plate of an M&P while holstering, I can't get my thumb over the beavertail.

But I can re-holster with my finger off the trigger...

Yup. That's why I never picked up the practice.

 

[Traveler]

You merely establish the habit of resting your thumb on the slide as you reholster.
Go re-read my post.

People are really making a big deal out of this, apparently without grasping how it's used.

Apparently you don't grasp firearm safety basics. Try an NRA course.

1. ALWAYS keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.

2. ALWAYS keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot.

3. ALWAYS keep the gun unloaded until ready to use.

 

[Traveler]

No offense traveler, I can chew gum and walk....way before striker fired pistols we had things called revolvers, S&W 3rd geherations pistols and the 92F.....we holstered with a thumb on the hammer/slide and was still able to concentrate on trigger discipline.

So you are saying you kept your finger on the trigger as you holstered?

 

[jessestone]

You may not like or admit.. But. Glock does has three.. All internal /passive.

https://us.glock.com/technology/safe-action

Now.. Do we need to ignore other gun handling safety? Hope not.. Any guns can fail.

I am well aware of the glock "safety" features....the firing pin safety and the drop safety are pretty much standard on any firearm.....the trigger safety is a joke and a marketing ploy, a great one at that since other companies have copied it. Really what does the trigger safety do?

 

[jessestone]

And got bulletins from the TELETYPE.

Hell yes....I remember when I was in a plainclothes unit arriving at the office in the morning and having to go through reams of paper to see if anything came in during the night that was important.....

 

[mopar92]

I am well aware of the glock "safety" features....the firing pin safety and the drop safety are pretty much standard on any firearm.....the trigger safety is a joke and a marketing ploy, a great one at that since other companies have copied it. Really what does the trigger safety do?

AFAIK it stops the trigger from traveling unless the user makes a concentrated effort to depress the center bar/pivot/hook thingy.

 

[jessestone]

So you are saying you kept your finger on the trigger as you holstered?

Noooooo....read your original post I quoted...

"You are busy pushing on a third party add-on, instead of focusing on trigger discipline. Keeping your booger hook off the trigger is the first rule. There is no substitute."

I just said I could do 2 things at the same time, which was keep my thumb on a slide/hammer and still keep my finger clear.....been doing it for years, my job requires you multi-task.

Also by "grasping" your qoute of NRA rules, we should not carry a loaded firearm in a holster....really? Somebody needs a snickers lol

"Quote:
Originally Posted by Threeband
You merely establish the habit of resting your thumb on the slide as you reholster.
Go re-read my post.

People are really making a big deal out of this, apparently without grasping how it's used.


Apparently you don't grasp firearm safety basics. Try an NRA course.

1. ALWAYS keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.

2. ALWAYS keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot.

3. ALWAYS keep the gun unloaded until ready to use."

 

[Threeband]

Apparently you don't grasp firearm safety basics. Try an NRA course.

....

I've taken lots of courses.

You really don't grasp the concept of how this works, do you?

Aroint thee, troll.

(You forgot #4, btw.)

 

[lx1x]

I am well aware of the glock "safety" features....the firing pin safety and the drop safety are pretty much standard on any firearm.....the trigger safety is a joke and a marketing ploy, a great one at that since other companies have copied it. Really what does the trigger safety do?

Same as the gadgets safety.. Lol

Useless..

Now... the xd/m somewhat works.. But has flaws too.. You may have activated the grip but can still fail if you have obstruction while holstering.

 

[lx1x]

I've taken lots of courses.
Aroint thee, troll.

(You forgot #4, btw.)

Lol.. Old school.. NRA only has three major handling safety.


http://training.nra.org/nra-gun-safety-rules.aspx