The Gadget: an additional safety device for Glock pistols

[Blaster229]

I didn't think holstering NDs were all that much of a problem. No more so than any other pistol anomaly.

 

[lx1x]

I didn't think holstering NDs were all that much of a problem. No more so than any other pistol anomaly.

Heard only 3% ..








Lmao

 

[traveller]

I didn't think holstering NDs were all that much of a problem. No more so than any other pistol anomaly.

No more common than cleaning NDs. I wonder what device I could invent to keep people from forgetting a round in the chamber and pulling the trigger to disassemble. Maybe a device that disconnects the trigger if there is no mag in the well.......

 

[StantonCree]

Let me say I don't have a dog in this fight, I do not know the makers or testers of this product.

I am looking at this product from a outside view. I am a firearms instructor/rangemaster/use of force instructor/armorer for a LE organization. I started as a LEO carrying a revolver, moved to a TDA (S&W 4506 and then a 92), then onto a Glock. I have trained in my field in both private and government sectors and have been doing this job 20 years. While I have been deemed a SME by the courts, I consider myself a student at all times. I have made it a point to never let my education interfere with my ability to learn.

Anyone that says you have all the time to reholster and/or to check the holster before holstering has not been on the sharp end of the stick. Try checking your holster at 0300 hours when you have someone proned out in a alleyway or crack house....try checking your holster when you enter a room and you find someone (officer or citizen) getting their ass handed to them by a BG.....or in a low-light enviorment have a BG tell you to go ahead and shoot him when he's not complying to your orders to get on the ground, are you going to look away and pull out your flashlight to check your holster to make sure its clear of obstructions? You cant always check your holster in the real world. I know of AD/ND's caused by a string from a raid jacket being in the holster. I know of AD/ND's caused by holsters. While a Glock is a great handgun and I trust my and my family's life with it, Glock perfection is a myth.....nothing is perfect and something can always be improved.

While I don't know if this product is a answer or not, I am willing to look and listen. I may or may not buy one, but I will not think that it can never happen to me or become complacent. I will tell you I have a 1 1/2 year old Safariland holster fail a week ago. A piece broke on the holster in such a way that it could have gone into the trigger guard and caused a AD. The piece that broke was not visually apparent as broken and I only realized it when my thumb hit it when my hand was resting on the butt of my Glock when I was on duty.....it was a "Oh s#!t" moment.

Just some food for thought.

I guess were on different pages here. I believe most of us are thinking regular Joe Schmoe CC.

As someone who has done the things your mentioned above (never with a revolver though!!! ) The safariland ALS Duty Holster has more then enough of a gaping hole (no laughs necessary) to where I've never had an issue. The only issue I've ever had was chasing a guy with a BEAUTIFUL Ithica 1911 and after he threw it I had trouble reholstering my gun thanks to my shirt getting caught in my Serpa.

The average CCWer is not going to reholster his boom boom stick until the threat is either.........A)Dead........or B) So far away that shooting is just a waste..........and then you have all the time in the world to put it away

90% of ALL LEO and Civilian gun fights are the old saying 3 rounds, 3 seconds, 3 feet/yards (I can't remember). There should be NO RUSH to put back the Ole' hip paperwight unless you here "Police drop then gun," and then it shouldn't be holstered you probably should just drop that 1200 dollar H&K

I get what your saying here and 100% respect you time! Who is still around that originally was using a revolver?? Unless you started with the whole OC Summer Cop thing (don't take that as a bash!!!!!!) The amount of Time you have put in sounds remarkable! But I've said it once in this thread and I'll say it again........."It's like wearing a life vest while driving." With all that being said Hey this is America and these fine and not so fine Gents that frequent this forum are free to spend their hard earned cash on whatever they like and if they get one of these things..........I pray it serves them well!

 

[StantonCree]

No more common than cleaning NDs. I wonder what device I could invent to keep people from forgetting a round in the chamber and pulling the trigger to disassemble. Maybe a device that disconnects the trigger if there is no mag in the well.......

Most of the police ND I've heard of or know of for a fact are people removing the round out of the chamber without taking the mag out then pulling the mag out..............well dum dum you just chambered a new round......then pulling bars down and pulling the trigger and BAM hole in the left hand!

 

[RoadDawg]

Those are logical and respectable concerns.

I completely understand the first point and I believe it could be valid. As stated before, revolvers have the same caveat. But who would think to do that on a Glock? You'd either have to be a very lucky criminal or a criminal who is incredibly aware of the aftermarket products available to Glock. But SouthNarc's experience (a fellow LEO) demonstrated that it isn't probable.

To the second point, I didn't notice any "spray" while testing the Gadget on my friend's Glock. I also didn't notice any more of a "smell" on my hands/clothing then I do when I fire my personal Glock. I wasn't specifically looking for extra GSR, either. So again, it is possible.

The point to all your argument is that it's possible. And you are correct.

It is possible this Gadget could break and somehow render your firearm unusable, or dirt could enter the firearm and disable it. It hasn't happened in the years/tens of thousands of rounds the beta testers have used their firearms. It is improbable, but I suppose there is still a chance. You mentioned personal experience inspecting LEO firearms with lots of nastiness in them. How many of them were unusable because of the mess inside them?

All of your points are based on possible, but improbable possibilities.

This Gadget was created to prevent a possible and much more prominent issue: negligent discharges while reholstering. A very probable issue, yet you are quick to dismiss it. I find it odd that you point out so many problems that haven't happened, yet you dismiss the chances of the ND this was created to solve.

Of all the issues mentioned, the only realistic problem I see, based off the beta testers, is a ND. The Gadget was created to stop that.

If you aren't interested, I'm cool with that. For the price point, I'm not sure I'm interested in it yet. I'm just pleased to see well thought out criticisms.

What I found during inspections was not and is not "improbable"... And there WERE pistols that would have failed the Officer in a time of need. One of them was so bad that it was taken out of service and could not be reused. I was originally trained with and carried a revolver for years before converting over to the semi-auto pistol. And during that time... I was never trained nor did I practice holstering with my thumb on the hammer of the revolver. What I was trained to do, and did do, was to insure that the holster was clear of foreign objects and keep my boogerhook out of the trigger guard.

Adding this item, which is designed to block the firing mechanism which was designed by the manufacturer, adds a level of probable failure to the Glock pistol. No clear thinking, liability conscious Department is going to allow that to happen with pistols that they own. If the pistol fails... That Department AND Glock Inc. is going to have the "Gadget" manufacturer, and all who are connected to it, by the short hairs in court. Your friends should really consider that liability before selling the "Gadget". If they want to make money from it, they should sell the idea to Glock Inc. and walk away from the liability issues. It will only take one case to bankrupt them. Glock Inc. has lawyers waiting on retainer.

 

[traveller]

If they want to make money from it, they should sell the idea to Glock Inc. and walk away from the liability issues. It will only take one case to bankrupt them. Glock Inc. has lawyers waiting on retainer.

The only reason for glock to buy the IP on this thing would be to make sure that it never hits the market.

 

[RoadDawg]

The only reason for glock to buy the IP on this thing would be to make sure that it never hits the market.

You do what you want with the "gadget"... Several experienced LEOs have stated their concerns. I won't be giving it any thumbs up... I see it as a liability for life and an easy doorway for the Glock Inc. and the Departments to be absolved of financial responsibility in any incident where a Glock pistol becomes involved in a failure on duty. It alters the intended design and function of the pistol beyond the responsibility of the manufacturers and the Departments who bought the pistols to function as advertised.

In the event of such a case... The designers and manufacturers of the "Gadget" will be on the hook for the liabilies incurred. Nothing personal... But ... Have fun with that legal bill.

 

[Mark75H]

What I noted ...
• the idea of the opponent in CQB being able to grasp and hold the "gadget", preventing the GG from pulling the trigger was an instant turn off.

Food for thought? Coffee?

How far out of battery does a Glock slide have to be held to prevent the gun from firing?

Anyone who could get a grip on the slide and "Gadget" would probably already be holding the slide out of battery.

 

[BradMacc82]

How far out of battery does a Glock slide have to be held to prevent the gun from firing?

Anyone who could get a grip on the slide and "Gadget" would probably already be holding the slide out of battery.

1/4", give or take. At least that's how it is with my M&P's.

Press the muzzle into someone with enough force and you take it out of battery.

 

[traveller]

You do what you want with the "gadget"... Several experienced LEOs have stated their concerns. I won't be giving it any thumbs up... I see it as a liability for life and an easy doorway for the Glock Inc. and the Departments to be absolved of financial responsibility in any incident where a Glock pistol becomes involved in a failure on duty.

You think plaintiffs would let Glock off the hook because some rinky dink machine shop made a part used to muck up their perfectly good gun ?
The reason to keep it off the market is to reduce their liability from altered guns.

Btw. we are in complete agreement about the usefulness of the device.

 

[RoadDawg]

How far out of battery does a Glock slide have to be held to prevent the gun from firing?

Anyone who could get a grip on the slide and "Gadget" would probably already be holding the slide out of battery.

I covered this already in a prior post... But, simply jerking the pistol back from the attackers grip would more than likely place the slide into battery ... allowing the GG to get off at least one shot. And ... That may be all that's needed.

You think plaintiffs would let Glock off the hook because some rinky dink machine shop made a part used to muck up their perfectly good gun ?
The reason to keep it off the market is to reduce their liability from altered guns.

Btw. we are in complete agreement about the usefulness of the device.

Sorry if I seem confrontational... It was not my intent... Just being "matter of fact" about the issue. I already got the impression that you were not a fan of the alteration gadget.

And yes I do believe that Glock could claim no liability in a case where the functionality of their product was altered by the end user.

 

[webb297]

These are the people you are bashing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgqLVVq6olg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxkjHF5TAuc

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_9_19/228175_AAR__Todd_Louis_Greenandapos_s_Aim_Fast_Hit_Fast.html

https://www.swatmag.com/articles/the_fast_and_the_furious

http://pistol-training.com/bio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09nDD5-PW_4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMTsuMrIAJw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgzRXi_0Guw

Just thought you should know. Billy Mays is a sales guy, who is famous for scamming people. What do you think these guys are interested in?

 

[RoadDawg]

These are the people you are bashing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgqLVVq6olg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxkjHF5TAuc

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_9_19/228175_AAR__Todd_Louis_Greenandapos_s_Aim_Fast_Hit_Fast.html

https://www.swatmag.com/articles/the_fast_and_the_furious

http://pistol-training.com/bio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09nDD5-PW_4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMTsuMrIAJw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgzRXi_0Guw

Just thought you should know. Billy Mays is a sales guy, who is famous for scamming people. What do you think these guys are interested in?

Bashing people?

Please... That whole "Glock leg" thing is BS. Ask Barney Fife about his "Glock".
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-NDKe2PVphg
"Glock leg" is as faked as a Billy Mays sales pitch. And sorry but ... No Sale.

Accusing folks of bashing people because they don't like the soft sales pitch or find the product to be less than necessary is not going to help anything. All of my Glocks function as the designer/manufacturer intended. They have three safeties built in and a fourth sits between the ears of the user. If the fourth safety fails, twenty mechanical safeties will never be enough.

 

[traveller]

Just thought you should know. Billy Mays is a sales guy, who is famous for scamming people. What do you think these guys are interested in?

Selling the services of their training facility ?

 

[lx1x]

Selling the services of their training facility ?

It's Billy Webb Mays..

But wait! Order now and you get two for the price of one!

 

[redeemed.man]

I am still blown away with the way some members worship the inventor and the product testers. Get a grip. These are regular guys not self defense gods. They apparently offer firearms training and then invent a product for when that training fails. The product has numerous flaws as repeatedly pointed out but the defenders know no limits and keep coming back arguing. This is madness. Some of the products defenders don't even carry or own Glocks but we are supposed to believe they have no financial or personal interest in the products success? I smell B.S.

An alteration of the internals of a Glock? Unbelievable to me. By the way there are after market manual safeties available for Glocks, I would never use one, but they are available. It seems to me since they function and are placed just like other handgun safeties they would be far more desirable and less altering of the internals than the gadget.

Let's see "I can't remember to keep my finger off the trigger but I will remember to keep my thumb on the gadget" does anyone else see the absurdity here?

A flap that opens and allows debris in and increased GSR (carcinogens) out makes no sense to me. Sorry but I think it is a horrible idea.

I am not bashing anyone but I see the defense of this product despite numerous flaws expertly pointed out to be shocking. I am also not one for the crazy "jocking" that seems to be going on. "Oh I soooooo want to see you prove Southnarc wrong". Just seems school girlish to me.

In any event good luck with the product. Unfortunately there are lots of folks who don't know better and may buy a product like this. Lots of investors throw money at products that claim a safety benefit even when none exists.

Comments such as it is not "probable" this device will lead to a failure of your Glock are crazy to me. Why take the risk? It is less probable your gun will shoot you by itself if your finger stays off the trigger. I am good with those odds.

This thread continues with actual debate from some die hard product believers/pitch men who fail to see the market telling them this is a bad idea.

 

[redeemed.man]

http://www.forgottenweapons.com/thumb-safety-glock/

 

[Threeband]

I am still blown away with the way some members worship the inventor and the product testers. Get a grip. These are regular guys not self defense gods...

This.

It's unseemly. I would expect men to display a little more self respect.



Otherwise, I just can't believe this train-wreck thread is still going. I would expect the proponents/salesmen to just take a hint and drop it.

 

[redeemed.man]

It's Billy Webb Mays..

But wait! Order now and you get two for the price of one!

Or.... buy now and you can get the Gadget debris catcher for 3 easy payments of $9.99, this small bag that fits over the newly created flap will catch the gun shot residue and it's available in multiple colors and adds an attractive touch to your otherwise boring Glock.

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