The Gadget: an additional safety device for Glock pistols

[Blaster229]

I fail? Because you disagree with the semantics? Maybe if you read the whole thread you'll see that they DID mention LE...

Unlike you... I never claimed to be "the answer all, gun experience carry guy".

Why must you constantly make these posts into a personal competition?

Apparently, no one knows more about the subject than you...

I'm not talking about what "could happen" with foreign matter inside of the pistols. I'm talking about what DID HAPPEN. What I actually saw. Sorry if my experience did not fit your hypothesis.

No. But you sure are making this thread yours to know all.

 

[webb297]

No. But you sure are making this thread yours to know all.

Ding.

I posted my last post because I know that many of you (especially those posting in this thread) respect the experience of those that proved it on the job (LE, and training).

One of the creators of this has been on 2 major companies competitive shooting teams, assisted in the the creation of several current pistols, assisted in the contacts of millions of dollars of contracts for .MIL, has been contracted by many manufactures to provide an accurate long term test of their pistols, and has trained so many LE, .MIL, and private citizens in the safe and fast use of many types of pistols.

One of the main testers (among 300,000 rounds of testing) was a LE officer for more than 20 years including 2 exclusively in narc undercover. He then went on to 15+ year career in training LE and the public in physical and ground work (muay thai based) and in blade work, CQB, and true life experience training (totally physical evolutions), focusing on the correct equipment that works in these situations.

You guys have decided that this is a sales pitch. OK. That's fine.

Yes, they are selling this product. But why did they create it?

They created it because they thought it would be a device that could assist in safe re holstering, possibly saving someones leg, or life. If that's to much for you to believe, at least it will provide owners confidence when holstering their firearms.

How do you get a product you believe to possibly be life saving without selling it?

They weren't joking around, they aren't the kind to do so. I don't think you should be either. If me saying that makes me a salesman, I don't understand how.

I honestly could not care less if anyone buys this thing, but when MDS pops with the junior high bravado and snark on a valid product produced not by nobody's in their basement, but by SME's through many years of training and testing, it raises my dander.

I only got into this thread because I saw so many of you joking around and not taking it seriously, being disrespectful to people deserving of respect.

I have never even seen one of these things, but I respect those that are bringing this thing forward.

Think, if Clandestine created a product he thought would help make firearms more safe for the user, and had spent all the money required to bring it to market, and a post on a forum where Clandestine is not well known begins mocking his product without necessarily completely understanding the product, would you speak out? I think I would. You might not like his product (and that's OK), but you should respect his experience, and expertise. I did not intend to call you out Clandestine, just the best example I could think of.

I have no problem with all of the critical posts in this thread. Constructive criticism is totally cool, and necessary in the free market. Hell, I don't own a Glock (mostly because there was no physical safety.... wait, what?).

Adults should have the ability to disagree respectfully. I have truly enjoyed MDS for the past several years, and to see respected members clown truly national level SMEs unnecessarily was embarrassing to me.

I am not a salesman, I am a guy who does not want MDS membership to make a fool of itself, by posting like children (this statement is not meant to include constructive criticism posts).

With that I am out.

 

[RoadDawg]

No. But you sure are making this thread yours to know all.

Absolutely not... Those are your words. All I have done in this thread is post my concerns about a product which I believe will be a liability to the safety of the end user. And the reasons why I believe that to be. They can sell them all they wish. PT Barnum told us there would be customers. I won't advise anyone to use them. As I believe that would be irresponsible of me. Proper training supersedes reliance on gadgetry.

 

[RoadDawg]

Ding.

I posted my last post because I know that many of you (especially those posting in this thread) respect the experience of those that proved it on the job (LE, and training).

One of the creators of this has been on 2 major companies competitive shooting teams, assisted in the the creation of several current pistols, assisted in the contacts of millions of dollars of contracts for .MIL, has been contracted by many manufactures to provide an accurate long term test of their pistols, and has trained so many LE, .MIL, and private citizens in the safe and fast use of many types of pistols.

One of the main testers (among 300,000 rounds of testing) was a LE officer for more than 20 years including 2 exclusively in narc undercover. He then went on to 15+ year career in training LE and the public in physical and ground work (muay thai based) and in blade work, CQB, and true life experience training (totally physical evolutions), focusing on the correct equipment that works in these situations.

You guys have decided that this is a sales pitch. OK. That's fine.

Yes, they are selling this product. But why did they create it?

They created it because they thought it would be a device that could assist in safe re holstering, possibly saving someones leg, or life. If that's to much for you to believe, at least it will provide owners confidence when holstering their firearms.

How do you get a product you believe to possibly be life saving without selling it?

They weren't joking around, they aren't the kind to do so. I don't think you should be either. If me saying that makes me a salesman, I don't understand how.

I honestly could not care less if anyone buys this thing, but when MDS pops with the junior high bravado and snark on a valid product produced not by nobody's in their basement, but by SME's through many years of training and testing, it raises my dander.

I only got into this thread because I saw so many of you joking around and not taking it seriously, being disrespectful to people deserving of respect.

I have never even seen one of these things, but I respect those that are bringing this thing forward.

Think, if Clandestine created a product he thought would help make firearms more safe for the user, and had spent all the money required to bring it to market, and a post on a forum where Clandestine is not well known begins mocking his product without necessarily completely understanding the product, would you speak out? I think I would. You might not like his product (and that's OK), but you should respect his experience, and expertise. I did not intend to call you out Clandestine, just the best example I could think of.

I have no problem with all of the critical posts in this thread. Constructive criticism is totally cool, and necessary in the free market. Hell, I don't own a Glock (mostly because there was no physical safety.... wait, what?).

Adults should have the ability to disagree respectfully. I have truly enjoyed MDS for the past several years, and to see respected members clown truly national level SMEs unnecessarily was embarrassing to me.

I am not a salesman, I am a guy who does not want MDS membership to make a fool of itself, by posting like children (this statement is not meant to include constructive criticism posts).

With that I am out.

Children who say things like "Ding"?

After all of the points brought up in this thread... AND with respect to the accolades provided for those who came up with the product... You've never seen it and do not own a Glock pistol? How are we, who do not know your or them personally, to take your defense of a product seriously when you have never seen the product and have no need of it?

Defend your friends if someone demeans them. That is respectable. However, other than disagreeing with the "soft sell" presentation... ALL of my comments are about the gadget and liabilities thereto, NOT its inventors.

And FTR... The Glock pistol has 3 physical safeties.

 

[BradMacc82]

I'm going to say this as someone that's basically a 'nobody'. This is from my perspective, and that's someone that doesn't 'do' formal training. Most of what I've learned has been from shooting with people much more experienced than I. I have no LE, .mil, etc. background.

Big issue I see with this is - It's a device intended to correct a failure in training. That failure being to keep your damned finger off the trigger, and properly clearing your holster, while/before holstering.

And in the cases of drawstrings and such getting caught in the mouth of the holster and inside the trigger guard - again a failure of training, from my perspective. For the ccw'er, there's a lot of time and thought put into dressing around the gun - "Is this a good cover garment? Etc. Etc." - I know for myself, there's not a single cover garment in my inventory that still has drawstrings on it, just to mitigate the chances of that happening.

I have yet to use a holster where I could maintain a full firing grip (trigger on finger) while drawing or holstering - yes there's probably a few of them out there where I could do so, but that's a training issue as well, IMO.

Yeah, I've made a few jokes in this thread, as I do in every single thread I participate in - if that makes me an ******* to people that don't know me, then so be it.

If the inventor/testers think it's a great idea, then more power to you - hope it does well for you, genuinely.

 

[august1410]

Maybe, but why all the sharks, This isn't North Carolina after all .

Hey, I live on the coast of NC.

I, however, am not a shark.

I also do not carry a Glock.

Is there a product for those of us who are lacking in the physical manhood department who compensate by carrying a .44 Magnum?

Just askin'.


I really have nothing to add to the thread.

 

[MikeTF]

It sounds like thier heads won't like it, but I bet their legs will.

Tell all the folks with Glock leg that they are "perfectly" safe.

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Safeties fail. In the span of about two years now that I've been carrying a SIG P938 the safety has been switched off twice. The gun is carried cocked and locked in a holster.

I pull my pistol out of its holster at night and place it on the night stand. That's when I noticed the safety is switched off. How does it happen? The last time I was replacing a light pole on my boat and had to crawl under the console to get to the fuse box. I was rolling around on the floor and my sliding under the console with my weight on the firearm is what switched the safety off.

 

[Threeband]

...

Is there a product for those of us who are lacking in the physical manhood department who compensate by carrying a .44 Magnum? ...

As you holster the revolver, just rest your thumb lightly on the hammer.
If anything snags the trigger, causing the hammer to begin to rise, you will immediately feel it and stop what you're doing.

If you make it a habit to rest your thumb on the hammer as you reholster, that habit will quickly become just as much a part of your muscle memory as is the habit of indexing your trigger finger away from the trigger.

It will not require an "extra step".

Now is it necessary? Is it important? Perhaps if you're a little uncertain about your gun handling, it might make you feel a little better. It can't hurt with the revolver, and it requires no modification of the gun.

Of course, no Real Man would ever admit any uncertainty about anything on the Internet.

It certainly could have prevented some of Barney Fife's NDs.

There's nothing wrong with developing the muscle memory habit of resting your thumb on the back of the hammer or slide. If nothing else, it gives your thumb a "job", and keeps it out of trouble.



I took a couple of classes with Pat Goodale, as I believe some others here have. I know Norton trained with him. Anyway, Pat does rest his thumb on the slide of his Glock 19 in exactly that way, and he encourages his students to do the same thing.(This has nothing to do with this Gadget: Pat's G19 is unmodified.)

I never quite got the reason Pat encouraged that practice. I shoot an M&P, and the beavertail on my gun makes Pat's "thumb on the slide" thing impossible, so I never adopted the practice. Perhaps Pat sees it as providing a little extra certainty in the reholstering, I don't know. No harm in it that I can see.

Anyway, the "thumb on the slide" thing could almost immediately become part of one's muscle memory holstering routine, and in that case, there would be no additional step in using this Gadget. It would be entirely passive and unconscious, the same as the muscle memory routine of removing your damn finger from the trigger as the gun comes off target (and long, long before it is reholstered.)


This Gadget does require modifying the gun with a non-standard part, though.

Disclaimer:
I am not an Operator, LE, or any type of Ninja.
I shoot an M&P. I do own a Glock, but rarely shoot it.

 

[lx1x]

As you holster the revolver, just rest your thumb lightly on the hammer.
If anything snags the trigger, causing the hammer to begin to rise, you will immediately feel it and stop what you're doing.

If you make it a habit to rest your thumb on the hammer as you reholster, that habit will quickly become just as much a part of your muscle memory as is the habit of indexing your trigger finger away from the trigger.

It will not require an "extra step".

Now is it necessary? Is it important? Perhaps if you're a little uncertain about your gun handling, it might make you feel a little better. It can't hurt with the revolver, and it requires no modification of the gun.

Of course, no Real Man would ever admit any uncertainty about anything on the Internet.

It certainly could have prevented some of Barney Fife's NDs.

There's nothing wrong with developing the muscle memory habit of resting your thumb on the back of the hammer or slide. If nothing else, it gives your thumb a "job", and keeps it out of trouble.



I took a couple of classes with Pat Goodale, as I believe some others here have. I know Norton trained with him. Anyway, Pat does rest his thumb on the slide of his Glock 19 in exactly that way, and he encourages his students to do the same thing.(This has nothing to do with this Gadget: Pat's G19 is unmodified.)

I never quite got the reason Pat encouraged that practice. I shoot an M&P, and the beavertail on my gun makes Pat's "thumb on the slide" thing impossible, so I never adopted the practice. Perhaps Pat sees it as providing a little extra certainty in the reholstering, I don't know. No harm in it that I can see.

Anyway, the "thumb on the slide" thing could almost immediately become part of one's muscle memory holstering routine, and in that case, there would be no additional step in using this Gadget. It would be entirely passive and unconscious, the same as the muscle memory routine of removing your damn finger from the trigger as the gun comes off target (and long, long before it is reholstered.)


This Gadget does require modifying the gun with a non-standard part, though.

Disclaimer:
I am not an Operator, LE, or any type of Ninja.
I shoot an M&P. I do own a Glock, but rarely shoot it.

Resting the thumb behind/side the slide stops it from sliding back when holstering especially on iwb holsters. Some holsters are tight and pinch the slide more than the owb holsters.

 

[Mark75H]

Resting the thumb behind/side the slide stops it from sliding back when holstering especially on iwb holsters. Some holsters are tight and pinch the slide more than the owb holsters.

Allowing the slide to slide back would do the EXACT same thing this aftermarket piece does. If I recall from Glock Armorer's class 3.5mm is more than enough to put an in spec Glock OOB and lock it from firing.

So, in a way, thumbing the back of a semi auto pistol while holstering could be a bad thing.

 

[Threeband]

Allowing the slide to slide back would do the EXACT same thing this aftermarket piece does. If I recall from Glock Armorer's class 3.5mm is more than enough to put an in spec Glock OOB and lock it from firing.

So, in a way, thumbing the back of a semi auto pistol while holstering could be a bad thing.

I'd rather not have the slide flopping around like that. Murphy says that's the moment shirt tails, jacket cords, and small furry animals would snag themselves in the slide.

 

[lx1x]

Allowing the slide to slide back would do the EXACT same thing this aftermarket piece does. If I recall from Glock Armorer's class 3.5mm is more than enough to put an in spec Glock OOB and lock it from firing.



So, in a way, thumbing the back of a semi auto pistol while holstering could be a bad thing.

It does not do the same thing.. One is designed by the manufacturer and the other is not..

 

[Mark75H]

It does not do the same thing.. One is designed by the manufacturer and the other is not..

Agreed

 

[august1410]

As you holster the revolver, just rest your thumb lightly on the hammer.
If anything snags the trigger, causing the hammer to begin to rise, you will immediately feel it and stop what you're doing.

If you make it a habit to rest your thumb on the hammer as you reholster, that habit will quickly become just as much a part of your muscle memory as is the habit of indexing your trigger finger away from the trigger.

It will not require an "extra step".

One of the very first guns I carried was a S&W Model 10. This was part of my holstering routine, if you will. Before I walked out of the house with a gun in a holster, I know how it behaves in whatever holster I am using. In my original post, I was being a little sarcastic. I appreciate your serious slant on it.

I am a firm believer in knowing how your guns react to holsters and vice versa.

I have owned a Glock. I carried a Glock. I don't want to be that guy that says my finger is the best safety I have, but......

 

[BradMacc82]

I have owned a Glock. I carried a Glock. I don't want to be that guy that says my finger is the best safety I have, but......

Technically, wouldn't your brain be your 1st and best safety then?

Followed up by good trigger discipline.

 

[august1410]

Technically, wouldn't your brain be your 1st and best safety then?

Followed up by good trigger discipline.

Yes. Brain, then finger.

I stand corrected.

 

[euchre98]

Disclaimer: I have not read thru this entire thread so I'm probably repeating points made by others.

- This gadget will promote bad habits that if tried on another firearm could lead to injury.

- I see that thumb trick as a lack of positive control of the grip. Hold something without using your thumb and have someone try and take it from you.

 

[Threeband]

As the pistol begins to enter the holster, the thumb moves up to rest on the slide. There is no loss of control. The thumb needs to get the hell out of the way at that point anyway.

 

[eruby]

Can 'The Gadget' be used on a lightsaber?

 

[jimbobborg]

- This gadget will promote bad habits that if tried on another firearm could lead to injury.

Unlike most of the peace officers on this board, it appears police officers in general are not "gun people" so their duty guns are the only ones they use. So this would be a non-issue.