MSP being ridiculous about my CCW app: Appeal Sent In!

[Rich1911]

I thought the permit was for use only when conducting financial transactions for the business - not for taking a potential client to lunch ect...?

 

[montoya32]

I thought the permit was for use only when conducting financial transactions for the business - not for taking a potential client to lunch ect...?

I quoted exactly what my permit says.

 

[Minuteman]

Restrictions do have weight now. They are now codified under SB281. If they determine you are outside your restrictions, you are carrying your gun on the same legal level as a felon who just got out of jail. I am willing to bet he would probably get lighter sentence too.

You're right, carrying outside of restrictions once only meant you could lose your permit (administrative), now it's punitive.

Have a legal explanation offered by your attorney , not an excuse offered during the incident

This is technically the best option if you know you are going to be detained/arrested. But if you can articulate to an officer who you are and why you have a gun, I.e. Prove your legitimacy being within the law, you may avoid the awkward ride down town in the first place. But you better be right and know your stuff. Highly situation dependent, get some legal advice and role-play (rehearse) interacting with police and other scenarios.

I have my interview tomorrow as an employee. I have suggested restriction language in my application.

Please explore them to stop giving restrictions at all. But as a last resort, giving them the vague words is a good idea to try.

I quoted exactly what my permit says.

Thanks for doing that. If a lot of people did that it would be possible to illustrate how arbitrary and capricious giving restrictions is.

 

[NateIU10]

Please explore them to stop giving restrictions at all. But as a last resort, giving them the vague words is a good idea to try.

Without a major change in direction from MSP, I do not foresee myself getting a restriction-less permit. That being said, my application stated:

"I am requesting a permit without restrictions. If MSP deems restrictions necessary, I am requesting the following restriction:..."

Can't hurt to ask, right? The "while transporting firearms" restriction would not work for me, though. What definition of firearm are we using, because if I'm transporting solely suppressors for T&E or coating, that wouldn't cover me.

 

[redeemed.man]

Without a major change in direction from MSP, I do not foresee myself getting a restriction-less permit. That being said, my application stated:

"I am requesting a permit without restrictions. If MSP deems restrictions necessary, I am requesting the following restriction:..."

Can't hurt to ask, right? The "while transporting firearms" restriction would not work for me, though. What definition of firearm are we using, because if I'm transporting solely suppressors for T&E or coating, that wouldn't cover me.

If you are transporting a firearm(s), you can carry your firearm. Yep, makes sense to me. The FFL restriction is about as unrestricted as one can get.

The one you carry is also being transported, isn't it?

 

[Stoveman]

Without a doubt....as would the members of a jury have a different interpretation....

Hypothetically speaking, based on your restrictions, if you had to use your sidearm to defend yourself from an attacker while showing a home.....I would have no problem finding you innocent...

If you had to use it while pumping gas at the WaWa or while walking your dog...you might not get so lucky.....

Restrictions should be black and white.......

Note to self: If I ever have to use a firearm because someone tried to rob me at a WaWa where I was putting gas into my company vehicle at 4 in the morning after working all night remind defense attorney to strike the guy in the mask with the indian side kick from the jury pool.....

 

[JPG]

Mine just says "while conducting business as a licensed real estate agent".

My permit was issued based on my occupation as a real estate agent. The only restriction listed is that my permit is ONLY valid for use "during real estate business activities".

There was no additional information provided by my broker. The only additional document I provided was a copy of my current real estate certificate as the one I had proved to my interviewing trooper was an expired wallet card.

Make sure you keep your current real estate card in your wallet. Keeping an expired one may cause some problems.

 

[BlackBart]

Without a doubt....as would the members of a jury have a different interpretation....

Hypothetically speaking, based on your restrictions, if you had to use your sidearm to defend yourself from an attacker while showing a home.....I would have no problem finding you innocent...

If you had to use it while pumping gas at the WaWa or while walking your dog...you might not get so lucky.....

Restrictions should be black and white.......

And others (most in Md) would find him guilty as a mofo. I deal in reality. Maryland unless the jury is a troop of Boy Scouts with shooting merit badges is out for blood.

 

[redeemed.man]

And others (most in Md) would find him guilty as a mofo. I deal in reality. Maryland unless the jury is a troop of Boy Scouts with shooting merit badges is out for blood.

Out for blood on law abiding citizens.

Not out for blood when it comes to thugs who are repeat offenders.

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[Minuteman]

Nate, that's perfect.

If you can't get unrestricted, I think "while carrying a firearm" is essentially the same thing.

Also, if it says while transporting suppressor, how hard would it be to always have a suppressor with you? Rhetorical question.

 

[Gryphon]

I have refused to bite on the MSP's bait of supplying a letter of sponsorship from my firm, or providing documented threats. Neither are required under the current Maryland statutes, and certainly not under any 2A decisions.

 

[montoya32]

I have refused to bite on the MSP's bait of supplying a letter of sponsorship from my firm, or providing documented threats. Neither are required under the current Maryland statutes, and certainly not under any 2A decisions.

 

[BlackBart]

Out for blood on law abiding citizens.

Not out for blood when it comes to thugs who are repeat offenders.

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Well............... yeah, it is Maryland politics at it's finest. Preachin to the choir.

 

[Biggfoot44]

Yeah , what post #42 said FSA crimilizing carry outside of restrictions.

From personal observation Permits had restrictions , no reason to think that wasn't the case back to 1972.

But meanwhile , be careful what you ( generic ) wask for. Usta be that most business related Permits had clear cut black & white restrictions. To wit : Between residence , business , and bank . Easy to understnd. The recent "while conducting business finiancial transactions undoubtedly does open more possbilities for Permit holders , but with the two edged sword of vagueness.

 

[BeoBill]

Without a major change in direction from MSP, I do not foresee myself getting a restriction-less permit. That being said, my application stated:

"I am requesting a permit without restrictions. If MSP deems restrictions necessary, I am requesting the following restriction:..."

Can't hurt to ask, right? The "while transporting firearms" restriction would not work for me, though. What definition of firearm are we using, because if I'm transporting solely suppressors for T&E or coating, that wouldn't cover me.

How about "transport of high-value controlled items?"

 

[photoracer]

The public does not know that I am or am not working when they see me out and about.

You know. It's not about just working, it's about working in a vulnerable and/or dangerous situation. Showing a house by yourself @ 9pm in the "Hood" ...yes. Talking houses while your at a family picnic in a public park @ noon?......good luck.

I fully agree. While I was going to do a long post about this I decided not to. My late wife was an RE agent for 2 different companies during her time. I know what really constitutes business in the legal sense. She was 4' 10" and 110 lbs and if anybody needed a carry permit she did.

 

[capinyoass]

Knew a guy who did night deposits for a 24hr grocery store, said cops pulled him over on the way back to the store a time or two checking the firearm was unloaded and secured, as "business" was concluded the minute the deposit door closed.

 

[capinyoass]

Montoya, best of luck, I appreciate your effort in furthering our cause. I don't want to see you wind up with the shitty end of the stick.

 

[Minuteman]

Knew a guy who did night deposits for a 24hr grocery store, said cops pulled him over on the way back to the store a time or two checking the firearm was unloaded and secured, as "business" was concluded the minute the deposit door closed.

Montoya, best of luck, I appreciate your effort in furthering our cause. I don't want to see you wind up with the shitty end of the stick.

Business is typically sufficient.

 

[Stoveman]

Knew a guy who did night deposits for a 24hr grocery store, said cops pulled him over on the way back to the store a time or two checking the firearm was unloaded and secured, as "business" was concluded the minute the deposit door closed.

Curious, what did he do to get pulled over?