HPRB October 20, 2015 Meeting

[LCPIWB]

Moving the October 20 thread back out to MD2A forum if all do not mind.
One important reason is so GryphonII(The one and only Grython) can see the thread and comment and get his post count back up to get into the water cooler. Personally I think his participation in the thread is more important than any perceived secrecy gained from the water cooler.

I am starting this thread because my review(not hearing) is to be heard that evening supposedly. I will be back from Japan by a couple days, and likely jet-lagged but I will prop my eyelids open with toothpicks to stay awake and make it.

For those who have not attended before. (And hope to see you there).

6776 Reisterstown Road (South tower entrance) Central Hiring Unit Conference Room (first floor) Baltimore, Md., 21215

And the link with applehd's map.
http://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=3904214&postcount=50

 

[Schipperke]

Moving the October 20 thread back out to MD2A forum if all do not mind.
One important reason is so GryphonII(The one and only Grython) can see the thread and comment and get his post count back up to get into the water cooler. Personally I think his participation in the thread is more important than any perceived secrecy gained from the water cooler.

I am starting this thread because my review(not hearing) is to be heard that evening supposedly. I will be back from Japan by a couple days, and likely jet-lagged but I will prop my eyelids open with toothpicks to stay awake and make it.

For those who have not attended before. (And hope to see you there).

6776 Reisterstown Road (South tower entrance) Central Hiring Unit Conference Room (first floor) Baltimore, Md., 21215

And the link with applehd's map.
http://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=3904214&postcount=50

Nos morituri te salutamus

 

[CypherPunk]

Moving the October 20 thread back out to MD2A forum if all do not mind.
One important reason is so GryphonII(The one and only Grython) can see the thread and comment and get his post count back up to get into the water cooler. Personally I think his participation in the thread is more important than any perceived secrecy gained from the water cooler.

I am starting this thread because my review(not hearing) is to be heard that evening supposedly. I will be back from Japan by a couple days, and likely jet-lagged but I will prop my eyelids open with toothpicks to stay awake and make it.

For those who have not attended before. (And hope to see you there).

6776 Reisterstown Road (South tower entrance) Central Hiring Unit Conference Room (first floor) Baltimore, Md., 21215

And the link with applehd's map.
http://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=3904214&postcount=50

Bad news:

The Handgun Permit Review Board meeting scheduled for Tuesday, Oct. 6, is cancelled. The next scheduled meeting is Tuesday, Oct. 20.

Source: http://www.dpscs.state.md.us/agencies/hprb.shtml

 

[montoya32]

Bad news:

The Handgun Permit Review Board meeting scheduled for Tuesday, Oct. 6, is cancelled. The next scheduled meeting is Tuesday, Oct. 20.

Source: http://www.dpscs.state.md.us/agencies/hprb.shtml

Just busting on you.

 

[CypherPunk]

Here is the status of Maryland's Handgun Permit Review Board (in a nutshell). If you work with Gov. Hogan, please let him know:

Under Maryland Law, the Board is required by law review or hear appeals within 90 days.

When the Board lest met, it heard appeals from February 2015.

At least one individual has filed suit in circuit court, demanding his appeal be heard within the time required by law. The board misclassified his hearing request as a review and kept referring to it as a appeal of denial when it was an appeal of restrictions. The board also lost his paperwork at least once.

The Board enjoyed a summer recess.

The Board so far has declined to meet on the fifth Tuesday of last month or hear more than a handful of cases in order to resolve the backlog.

The Board has cancelled todays meeting, most likely because of bedbugs.

The Board has failed to disclose the extent of the current backlog, despite repeated inquiries.

Maryland's Open Meetings Compliance Board is investigating at least two complaints for failing to comply with Maryland's Open Meetings Law.

A Board seat remains unfilled.

Is this efficient government?

 

[PJDiesel]

Sad State of Affairs I tell you.

Really Sad.

 

[44man]

Here is the status of Maryland's Handgun Permit Review Board (in a nutshell). If you work with Gov. Hogan, please let him know:

Under Maryland Law, the Board is required by law review or hear appeals within 90 days.

When the Board lest met, it heard appeals from February 2015.

At least one individual has filed suit in circuit court, demanding his appeal be heard within the time required by law. The board misclassified his hearing request as a review and kept referring to it as a appeal of denial when it was an appeal of restrictions. The board also lost his paperwork at least once.

The Board enjoyed a summer recess.

The Board so far has declined to meet on the fifth Tuesday of last month or hear more than a handful of cases in order to resolve the backlog.

The Board has cancelled todays meeting, most likely because of bedbugs.

The Board has failed to disclose the extent of the current backlog, despite repeated inquiries.

Maryland's Open Meetings Compliance Board is investigating at least two complaints for failing to comply with Maryland's Open Meetings Law.

A Board seat remains unfilled.

Is this efficient government?

since Hogan added new board members he already knows about the board. I would assume he has people to keep him informed about all the goings on in the government. I cant see how its on anyone but Hogan. but again, I work in the private sector where you have to produce all the time or your fired so my view of how this works may be off.

 

[Blacksmith101]

When the Maryland State Police got behind in doing background checks in 2013 they brought in outside help in order to catch up to the regulatory requirement. If they cant process these applications fast enough, it appears to take the full 90 days for initial turn downs and who knows how long for an appeal, perhaps they need additional help again.

If they are this slow in all their investigations that may be one of the causes of the high crime rate.

 

[Dreago]

The Board has cancelled todays meeting, most likely because of bedbugs.

You sure they aren't caught up?

 

[BeoBill]

Here is the status of Maryland's Handgun Permit Review Board (in a nutshell). If you work with Gov. Hogan, please let him know:

Under Maryland Law, the Board is required by law review or hear appeals within 90 days.

When the Board lest met, it heard appeals from February 2015.

At least one individual has filed suit in circuit court, demanding his appeal be heard within the time required by law. The board misclassified his hearing request as a review and kept referring to it as a appeal of denial when it was an appeal of restrictions. The board also lost his paperwork at least once.

The Board enjoyed a summer recess.

The Board so far has declined to meet on the fifth Tuesday of last month or hear more than a handful of cases in order to resolve the backlog.

The Board has cancelled todays meeting, most likely because of bedbugs.

The Board has failed to disclose the extent of the current backlog, despite repeated inquiries.

Maryland's Open Meetings Compliance Board is investigating at least two complaints for failing to comply with Maryland's Open Meetings Law.

A Board seat remains unfilled.

Is this efficient government?

No, this is what passes for government in Maryland.

 

[BeoBill]

When the Maryland State Police got behind in doing background checks in 2013 they brought in outside help in order to catch up to the regulatory requirement. If they cant process these applications fast enough, it appears to take the full 90 days for initial turn downs and who knows how long for an appeal, perhaps they need additional help again.

Maybe they can call Melwood. I'm sure they can run the shop better and more efficiently than the MSP.

 

[LCPIWB]

When the Maryland State Police got behind in doing background checks in 2013 they brought in outside help in order to catch up to the regulatory requirement. If they cant process these applications fast enough, it appears to take the full 90 days for initial turn downs and who knows how long for an appeal, perhaps they need additional help again.

If they are this slow in all their investigations that may be one of the causes of the high crime rate.

If they are going to bring in help from the Lottery department, or other persons who can not pass a background check (like they did with the 2013 backlog), looking at my private information, I will take a pass.

 

[Gryphon]

I think I am back, but am drinking small sips as if have been without water for more than a month. Don't want to drown trying to rehydrate.

Thanks Norton. Hopefully I am squared away.

Unfortunately, I will be out of town and will not be able to make the 10/20 meeting

Have heard nothing from the Board, but my appeal is only 60 days in. That's fine because I am still waiting for copies of the records I requested from MSP under the PIA. Hope to make the meeting on the 5th Tuesday of this month

 

[redeemed.man]

I think I am back, but am drinking small sips as if have been without water for more than a month. Don't want to drown trying to rehydrate.

Thanks Norton. Hopefully I am squared away.

Unfortunately, I will be out of town and will not be able to make the 10/20 meeting

Have heard nothing from the Board, but my appeal is only 60 days in. That's fine because I am still waiting for copies of the records I requested from MSP under the PIA. Hope to make the meeting on the 5th Tuesday of this month

Congrats on your account recovery. Glad you are back in the original form.

 

[Schipperke]

Here is the status of Maryland's Handgun Permit Review Board (in a nutshell). If you work with Gov. Hogan, please let him know:

Under Maryland Law, the Board is required by law review or hear appeals within 90 days.

When the Board lest met, it heard appeals from February 2015.

At least one individual has filed suit in circuit court, demanding his appeal be heard within the time required by law. The board misclassified his hearing request as a review and kept referring to it as a appeal of denial when it was an appeal of restrictions. The board also lost his paperwork at least once.

The Board enjoyed a summer recess.

The Board so far has declined to meet on the fifth Tuesday of last month or hear more than a handful of cases in order to resolve the backlog.

The Board has cancelled todays meeting, most likely because of bedbugs.

The Board has failed to disclose the extent of the current backlog, despite repeated inquiries.

Maryland's Open Meetings Compliance Board is investigating at least two complaints for failing to comply with Maryland's Open Meetings Law.

A Board seat remains unfilled.

Is this efficient government?

Oxymoron

 

[LoneRanger]

Oxymoron

Probably less than 100 people in this state of 6 million that give a rat's behind about the HPRB....less than 500 that even know it exists.....

 

[CypherPunk]

If they are this slow in all their investigations that may be one of the causes of the high crime rate.

I believe the statistics demonstrate the Maryland State Police hardly ever file charges for straw purchases and almost never for committing perjury on firearm purchase applications.

Why even investigate crimes your not going to prosecute?

 

[esqappellate]

I believe the statistics demonstrate the Maryland State Police hardly ever file charges for straw purchases and almost never for committing perjury on firearm purchase applications.

Why even investigate crimes your not going to prosecute?

The decision to prosecute (or not) is made by the State's Attorney. The decision to investigate is made by the police agencies. If the State's Attorney never prosecutes, then there is no reason for the police to spend time and other resources to investigate. A chicken and egg problem that just spirals down. That's a matter of leadership and priorities.

 

[Blacksmith101]

The decision to prosecute (or not) is made by the State's Attorney. The decision to investigate is made by the police agencies. If the State's Attorney never prosecutes, then there is no reason for the police to spend time and other resources to investigate. A chicken and egg problem that just spirals down. That's a matter of leadership and priorities.

Since it is not their decision to prosecute they should do their job which is to investigate each and every crime and present the facts to the State's Attorney. Someday the people may wake up and start asking the hard questions but as it stands the State's Attorneys will just say we weren't presented any cases. By not investigating and presenting cases the police agencies are usurping the duties of the State's Attorneys.

 

[CharlieFoxtrot]

The decision to prosecute (or not) is made by the State's Attorney. The decision to investigate is made by the police agencies. If the State's Attorney never prosecutes, then there is no reason for the police to spend time and other resources to investigate. A chicken and egg problem that just spirals down. That's a matter of leadership and priorities.

The Attorney Generals Office has a dedicated 'Firearms Trafficking Unit' that handles most of these cases. There are even MSP troopers assigned to it I believe. These prosecutions are few and far between from what I've seen. Occasionally you will see something by a county State's Attorney but those are even rarer.