Product Endorsement: Walther PPQ 9mm

clandestine · Jan 9, 2012

jaygibson said:
What did the price end up being on these. I'm interested.

It depends on the shop. At Scotts the std PPQ is $599 before Tax, MSP Fee and MD Approved Lock

First Edition is $725.00 before Tax, MSP Fee and MD Approved Lock (This Model Has Adjustable Nights Sights and Threaded Barrel)

If people pay cash they get 3% off and MDS members get 5% off.

jaygibson · Jan 9, 2012

Thanks. I have to get up to scott's sometime. Little bit of a haul from st mary's.

clandestine · Jan 9, 2012

jaygibson said:
Thanks. I have to get up to scott's sometime. Little bit of a haul from st mary's.

I would call before heading up if you want to handle one. They have been selling like crazy and theres several inbound.

mikec · Jan 9, 2012

clandestine said:
HK P30 9mm
HK P2000 9mm
HK USP Tactical 9mm (SD)
German SIG 226 9mm
S&W 952 9mm
SIG P210 9mm
M&P 9, 9L, or Pro 9mm
Glock 17, 19 9mm
Beretta M9, 92 9mm
CZ 75 9mm
Browning Hi-Power 9mm

Hmm. I have the BHP, a CZ-75B and the S&W Pro.

My P226 is a 2000 vintage gun. Chad is that good enough??

jaygibson · Jan 9, 2012

clandestine said:
I would call before heading up if you want to handle one. They have been selling like crazy and theres several inbound.

Will do.

clandestine · Jan 9, 2012

mikec said:
Hmm. I have the BHP, a CZ-75B and the S&W Pro.

My P226 is a 2000 vintage gun. Chad is that good enough??

If its not N.H. marked you should be golden. If its N.H. and has ran fine then you have nothing to worry about if you have used it thoroughly.

Guderian · Jan 10, 2012

clandestine said:
HK P30 9mm
HK P2000 9mm
HK USP Tactical 9mm (SD)
German SIG 226 9mm
S&W 952 9mm
SIG P210 9mm
M&P 9, 9L, or Pro 9mm
Glock 17, 19 9mm
Beretta M9, 92 9mm
CZ 75 9mm
Browning Hi-Power 9mm

Interesting list. I know the OP did not specify striker versus hammer fired, but you don't seem to mind the DA/SA transition of hammer fired pistols since many hammer fired pistols ranked high on your list.

The OP who posed the question should test fire before buying. I tried the P30 and despite a lot of good opinions about it, could not get past DA/SA transition and even SA was not that great IMO. DA was way hard and long. Also, it was not as comfortable as I thought it would be, but I didn't get to adjust grips because it was a rental. Overall, I was surprisingly underwhelmed by P30, but I'm no expert.

I have an M&P and love it out to 15 yards. It is bone stock, and the trigger does not bother me. Probably because I broke it in, having shot several thousand rounds through it already. On the other hand, I can't shoot accurately past 15 yards, but it could be me. My accuracy within 15 yards has improved the more I shoot the gun.

Can't decide whether to upgrade trigger with DCAEK and night sights (the white dots in original sight are either dirty or fell out) or buy PPQ. M&P has excellent customer service, from what I've heard, seems easy to work on based on videos I've seen (still don't know if I trust myself to work on them though) and seem to have parts, magazines and holsters, etc. readily available, but there ain't no way I'm springing for an aftermarket barrel.

With PPQ, I would just purchase night sights I presume, but don't know if I can maintain it on my own, whether parts are readily available, level of customer service or whether there are plethora of holster/aftermarket options. Also, I like that there is an M&P compact (Chad, I know you said a PPQ C is in the works, but is several years away). After feeling a PPS, that is out for me so I'd want a compact to go with full size.

And, a part of me really likes having an American made gun.

The struggle continues...

Why can't money grow on trees.

smokey · Jan 10, 2012

Guderian said:
Interesting list. I know the OP did not specify striker versus hammer fired, but you don't seem to mind the DA/SA transition of hammer fired pistols since many hammer fired pistols ranked high on your list.

The OP who posed the question should test fire before buying. I tried the P30 and despite a lot of good opinions about it, could not get past DA/SA transition and even SA was not that great IMO. DA was way hard and long. Also, it was not as comfortable as I thought it would be, but I didn't get to adjust grips because it was a rental. Overall, I was surprisingly underwhelmed by P30, but I'm no expert.

I have an M&P and love it out to 15 yards. It is bone stock, and the trigger does not bother me. Probably because I broke it in, having shot several thousand rounds through it already. On the other hand, I can't shoot accurately past 15 yards, but it could be me. My accuracy within 15 yards has improved the more I shoot the gun.

Can't decide whether to upgrade trigger with DCAEK and night sights (the white dots in original sight are either dirty or fell out) or buy PPQ. M&P has excellent customer service, from what I've heard, seems easy to work on based on videos I've seen (still don't know if I trust myself to work on them though) and seem to have parts, magazines and holsters, etc. readily available, but there ain't no way I'm springing for an aftermarket barrel.

With PPQ, I would just purchase night sights I presume, but don't know if I can maintain it on my own, whether parts are readily available, level of customer service or whether there are plethora of holster/aftermarket options. Also, I like that there is an M&P compact (Chad, I know you said a PPQ C is in the works, but is several years away). After feeling a PPS, that is out for me so I'd want a compact to go with full size.
And, a part of me really likes having an American made gun.

The struggle continues... Why can't money grow on trees.

mrozowjj · Jan 10, 2012

Any idea if the PPQ First Edition fits inside the IDPA box?

jawn · Jan 10, 2012

mrozowjj said:
Any idea if the PPQ First Edition fits inside the IDPA box?

It should. It's about the same size as a Glock 19 (+ threads).

Gambler · Jan 11, 2012

I went to a few places yesterday to try and get my mitts on one to see how it felt, but I didn't find one. Does anybody have them in stock?

clandestine · Jan 11, 2012

Gambler said:
I went to a few places yesterday to try and get my mitts on one to see how it felt, but I didn't find one. Does anybody have them in stock?

Scotts Gunsmithing will have the Threaded and standard models on thursday afternoon.

Gambler · Jan 11, 2012

Cool, I'll probably stop in after work and check it out. If I like it I'll buy it, if I don't, I think it's going to be the M&P9 Pro.

kmb · Jan 11, 2012

Atlantic Guns in Rockville, MoCo has the PPQ (2) in 9mm and 1 .40 - $729 each. They also had the P99c for $825.

I thought I was going to buy an M&P.....The trigger guard is massive on the PPQ tho'. Which I guess is good if you have sausage fingers or gloves on. There's a ton of room in there.

jawn · Jan 11, 2012

kmb said:
Atlantic Guns in Rockville, MoCo has the PPQ (2) in 9mm and 1 .40 - $729 each. They also had the P99c for $825.

I thought I was going to buy an M&P.....The trigger guard is massive on the PPQ tho'. Which I guess is good if you have sausage fingers or gloves on. There's a ton of room in there.

Ah, good ole Atlantic, pricing guns above MSRP again.

erwos · Jan 11, 2012

Are the PPQs true double action, or are they "safe action" like Glocks?

clandestine · Jan 11, 2012

kmb said:
Atlantic Guns in Rockville, MoCo has the PPQ (2) in 9mm and 1 .40 - $729 each. They also had the P99c for $825.

I thought I was going to buy an M&P.....The trigger guard is massive on the PPQ tho'. Which I guess is good if you have sausage fingers or gloves on. There's a ton of room in there.

The sale at scotts on PPQ's allow someone to get a PPQ First Edition with a threaded barrel and night sights for $749.00 for the base gun. You also have to add a MD Approved Lock (Customers CAN bring their own), $10.00 MSP paperwork fee, and 6% MD Sales Tax.

Cash gets 3% off the lock (If the customer cant provide one) and base gun which brings the base gun to $727.00 ($2.00 cheaper) and your getting a Hicap, night sights and threaded barrel for the price they are charging.

kmb · Jan 11, 2012

jawn said:
Ah, good ole Atlantic, pricing guns above MSRP again.

There was as used XD .40 in there for $685. I about sh@t myself. Maybe it came with a bunch of stuff. $609 for a M&Pc .45 I didn't think was too bad.

smokey · Jan 11, 2012

erwos said:
Are the PPQs true double action, or are they "safe action" like Glocks?

double-action doesn't apply to striker-fired guns. "safe action" essentially means when you press the trigger to the rear, the trigger bar w/ attached sear pulls the striker back a little bit and then falls out of the way when the end cams down on the connector, allowing the striker to be pushed forward by the striker spring and hit the primer. At the same time, your finger disengages the trigger safety and the trigger bar moves the striker safety out of the way. To the shooter, this translates as a trigger with a relatively short 5.5 lb pull that resets quickly and doesn't require the full draw stroke to reset.

The PPQ appears to be the same trigger as my p99, but with the "Double action" claw removed. Essentially in the p99AS, there are two sears...the DA and SA sear. With the striker decocked, the DA sear grabs the striker, draws it to the rear, and falls in a "roughly" similar way to the glock. In SA, the striker is pre-cocked and rests on a sear hook(more similar to the m&p's). When you pull the trigger in SA mode, the trigger bar essentially kicks the legs out from beneath the SA sear and it falls down and out of the way of the striker. In either DA or SA, the p99's trigger bar also pushes the striker safety up and out of the way on it's rearward stroke.

SOooooo...is it a "double-action"? No. It's technically a "quick defense" trigger. It's a fully pre-loaded striker, resting on a sear hook. The trigger pull just engages the disconnect lever that props up the sear hook and allows the striker to be pushed forward. To the shooter, it means you've got a VERY consistent ~5 lb trigger that breaks cleanly and has that incredibly short .1" reset, every time you press the trigger. There's still the trigger safety(it pivots and a block against the frame moves into a slot and allows it to move rearward) and the striker safety keeping it from firing, but they're both passive.

erwos · Jan 11, 2012

Ok, let me rephrase the question... if the primer fails to ignite, can I just pull the trigger again and have something happen?

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