Maryland LE and gun searches of out of state vehicles

[pbharvey]

I hear calls on the scanner where the dispatcher tells the officer that there are guns on the premises in the dispatch call. I don't know if all these are places with prior LEO history or not but it seems like they can tell if someone living at the property owns a registered firearm.

 

[Mr H]

I hear calls on the scanner where the dispatcher tells the officer that there are guns on the premises in the dispatch call. I don't know if all these are places with prior LEO history or not but it seems like they can tell if someone living at the property owns a registered firearm.

Anything purchased as a "Regulated Firearm" in MD is considered registered, so I would say it's within the possible.

 

[StantonCree]

I hear calls on the scanner where the dispatcher tells the officer that there are guns on the premises in the dispatch call. I don't know if all these are places with prior LEO history or not but it seems like they can tell if someone living at the property owns a registered firearm.

For us its one of the 17 billion questions our dispatchers ask. Not gun specific but, "Are there weapons on the premise and easily accessible"

 

[MJD438]

I hear calls on the scanner where the dispatcher tells the officer that there are guns on the premises in the dispatch call. I don't know if all these are places with prior LEO history or not but it seems like they can tell if someone living at the property owns a registered firearm.

For us its one of the 17 billion questions our dispatchers ask. Not gun specific but, "Are there weapons on the premise and easily accessible"

It can also be based on call histories. I have been in F/R for 21 years; in my first due area, we have several folks that are known to be aggressive and have firearms available. That provider safety information, over the years, has been added to the address history so that it shows up in dispatcher notes and on the run sheets that we pull off of the printer if we happen to be in quarters when the call is dispatched.

 

[Hit and Run]

There's more to this somehow. Take the 2nd story within the story out and forget about it because it's just some guys feelings on why he got arrested.......his arrest can be debated differently.

How did the cop know he had a Fl permit and a registered keltec ".38". Any cops here have a system to check on firearm permits for out of state? Also if the department found no policy violation then what is this guys claim to illegal search? I can't search your car based on a CCW card so there's more A LOT MORE not being reported or PROPERLY reported.

What out of state gun registration? Nothing I owned in Maine had to be registered in State when I lived there.... My extended family in Vermont can walk in a gun store and buy anything in it legally for sale that they can legally buy, pass Federal Check and walk out with it. Oh, and they can immediately put in a concealed holster and go on about their business with zero issues (personally I wouldn't until cleaned and fired).

 

[Name Taken]

Don't let facts and circumstances get in the way of a good tin foil moment

It was the camera on the 3rd light pole at mile marker 117 which alerted the police to his CCW permit which lead to his stop, search, and arrest.

That explains why in as many years we've only heard 2 cases on it both seeming to involve the same officer and department.

I guess he is the only one alerted by that camera.

 

[StantonCree]

It can also be based on call histories. I have been in F/R for 21 years; in my first due area, we have several folks that are known to be aggressive and have firearms available. That provider safety information, over the years, has been added to the address history so that it shows up in dispatcher notes and on the run sheets that we pull off of the printer if we happen to be in quarters when the call is dispatched.

This is also correct you're right.

 

[Vile Shadow]

It was the camera on the 3rd light pole at mile marker 117 which alerted the police to his CCW permit which lead to his stop, search, and arrest.

That didn't happen in this state.

 

[GTOGUNNER]

It was the camera on the 3rd light pole at mile marker 117 which alerted the police to his CCW permit which lead to his stop, search, and arrest.

That explains why in as many years we've only heard 2 cases on it both seeming to involve the same officer and department.

I guess he is the only one alerted by that camera.

Actually he apparently is good at finding guns. And cds. Maybe SOD. I have no problem if it's legal. But the legal bar is getting bent further and further. Or should I say zigzag pattern. Tough line to walk.

 

[StantonCree]

What out of state gun registration? Nothing I owned in Maine had to be registered in State when I lived there.... My extended family in Vermont can walk in a gun store and buy anything in it legally for sale that they can legally buy, pass Federal Check and walk out with it. Oh, and they can immediately put in a concealed holster and go on about their business with zero issues (personally I wouldn't until cleaned and fired).

Congrats Sir you've won the "MOST RIGHT CORRECTOR AWARD"

The officers were searching for Mr. Filippidis‘ Florida-licensed, palm-size Kel-Tec .38 semi-automatic handgun, which he left at home locked in his safe. (Maryland does not recognize handgun permits issued by other states.)

I quoted the link so you get why I stated what I stated. I don't think my point was lacking..........




http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/30/gun-owners-fear-maryland-cops-target-them-for-traf/#!


* Can't remember the proper way to Cite so linking the article (already previously linked). Haven't had to Cite sources that weren't victims in forever!

 

[GTOGUNNER]

This particular law applies to everyone with few exceptions. Mainly Leos on official business and permit holders. http://law.justia.com/codes/maryland/2005/gcr/4-203.html

 

[dreadpirate]

Check this out from http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/maryland.pdf

"It is illegal to carry any loaded firearm in any vehicle in Maryland.
Notice: Maryland has a unit called, “Maryland Coordination and Analysis Center.” They have license plate
reader cameras around the state that read license plates of vehicles. Some are connected to Criminal
Background Check programs and Permit/License Holder lists from the different states that will supply them
with that information. Do use caution when even driving through Maryland. They can know if you have a
firearms permit/license without even stopping you. Other States most likely have a similar system."

 

[platoonDaddy]

One year later and I am still confused! What right did the officer have to search the vehicle?

 

[Erick]

Society must start shunning members of rogue agencies that engage in such behavior.

- Dont invite them to your gun clubs.
- Dont give them LEO discounts in your store/range
- Dont allow them to train at your Carbine Courses.

Maybe we ought to write firearms retailers to boycott the MTA? (A lot of them do already as they do all MD LEO agencies since in MD citizens are not allowed MSRs)

Also get with the training providers we know and black list MTA members from attending quality Firearms courses.

 

[BeoBill]

Where did you come up with this? There is a unit dedicated to using tag readers-- to locate stolen vehicles and wanted persons/vehicles... No officer I have ever worked with in Baltimore gives a shit about harassing legal gun owners when thousands of illegal guns are on the streets here.

Well, it sure looks like there's one in the MdTA Police.

 

[BeoBill]

Why do we even have MdTA police?
Additional State Troopers could be assigned to their duties.

The ICC has its own public safety complex...for an 18 mile stretch of limited access road.

Because... Maryland! Your tax dollars inaction.

 

[StantonCree]

Check this out from http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/maryland.pdf

"It is illegal to carry any loaded firearm in any vehicle in Maryland.
Notice: Maryland has a unit called, “Maryland Coordination and Analysis Center.” They have license plate
reader cameras around the state that read license plates of vehicles. Some are connected to Criminal
Background Check programs and Permit/License Holder lists from the different states that will supply them
with that information. Do use caution when even driving through Maryland. They can know if you have a
firearms permit/license without even stopping you. Other States most likely have a similar system."

http://www.mcac.maryland.gov/resources/LPR/LPR-SOP.html

V. AUTOMATIC LICENSE PLATE RECOGNITION/READER TECHNOLOGY
Automatic License Plate Recognition (ALPR), also known as License Plate Reader (LPR), provides automated detection of license plates. The LPR system consists of a high-speed camera, mounted either at a fixed location or on a mobile patrol vehicle, and a computer to convert data from electronic images of vehicle license plates into a readable format, and then compare the information against specified databases of license plates. The system attaches camera identification, date, time, and location information, to include GPS coordinates, to the digital image and it is maintained electronically in a central location to provide a means of ensuring the license plate number was properly converted. The digital image can include additional information such as:

•The vehicle's make and model;
•The vehicle's driver and passengers;
•Distinguishing features (e.g., bumper stickers, damage);
•State of registration
If a given plate is listed in the database, the system is capable of providing the vehicle's location, direction of travel, and the type of infraction related to the notification.


VI. USES OF LPR DATA
Identifying the intended uses of LPR data is critical in assessing any privacy and/or civil liberties implications due to the networking within the MCAC of LPR data collected by participating law enforcement agencies.

The Maryland Coordination and Analysis Center has, as one of its core missions, the sharing of information, thereby assisting law enforcement agencies in the fulfillment of their duties. The MCAC's Operation Center, which is the statewide central repository for license plate reader data, serves specific public safety goals. Specifically, LPR data may be used for, but is not limited to, the following purposes:

•Crime analysis;
•To alert law enforcement officials that a license plate number is on a list of targeted license plate numbers (Hot List) or is related to a criminal investigation and is found in the LPR database;
•To alert law enforcement officials that a license plate number on a hot list has been recorded by a fixed versus mobile camera, possibly requiring notification to law enforcement agencies in proximity or travel route of the identified vehicle;
•To identify the movement of vehicles operated by individuals currently under an open criminal investigation;

I'm not seeing where it "and Permit/License Holder lists from the different states that will supply them with that information". It does attach to criminal backround checks ONLY because some Agencies will attach Warrants to specific License Plates. As someone who has used this extensively I can promise you it has never Random hit a plate and stated, "Registered Gun Owner." For it to attach to backround checks a specific agency has to input it into the system so it won't just run EVERYONE and give the backround. If a vehicle is on the hot-list (I.E. A felony vehicle EX. Robbery) it will advise the Officer that the people in the vehicle are armed and dangerous but for Regular Joe all it does is hit you plate. It doesn't provide me with anything other then a picture of your plate.

 

[Name Taken]

Check this out from http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/maryland.pdf

"It is illegal to carry any loaded firearm in any vehicle in Maryland.
Notice: Maryland has a unit called, “Maryland Coordination and Analysis Center.” They have license plate
reader cameras around the state that read license plates of vehicles. Some are connected to Criminal
Background Check programs and Permit/License Holder lists from the different states that will supply them
with that information. Do use caution when even driving through Maryland. They can know if you have a
firearms permit/license without even stopping you. Other States most likely have a similar system."

Have you ever used the system? Have you ever spoken to anyone who has?

I know the answer but figured I'd ask anyway.

You are off base.

If the system actually did this don't you think we would hear of MANY more cases and not just two in how many years by not only the same department but by the same officer no less?

 

[AntiGun]

Society must start shunning members of agencies that engage in such toxic behavior.

- Dont invite them to your gun clubs.
- Dont give them LEO discounts in your store/range
- Dont allow them to train at your Carbine Courses.

Maybe we ought to write firearms retailers to boycott the MTA? (A lot of them do already as they do all MD LEO agencies since in MD citizens are not allowed MSRs)
Also get with the training providers we know and black list MTA members from attending quality Firearms courses.

Let them stew in their own toxic juices and "train" each other.

we already have tinfoil, lets add gasoline

 

[Armadillofz1]

wasn't there a program called Mgun on the older PDTs for state police?