When does confiscation come?

[Brooklyn]

Brooklyn, I don't agree with you here. The left fights against any use of voter ID.

For different reasons. They think it will surpress the vote. But to make voting easier they need to make the process more secure. We will have voter I'd. But it will only be linked to voter registration. Thus it will be no different than a registration card with a photo. This is the compromise we could get now. But we will have other issues about illegal registration that will take longer...

 

[Ab_Normal]

Guess what, the public knows this. They care but they are afraid to speak out. Our job is to make them less afraid. It will happen,but we must make it happen. That is our job, to help people see and accept what they allready know. Go slow and kill them with kindness.

If only they stopped at kindness we wouldn't be in this situation. Collateral damage I suppose.

 

[Brooklyn]

If only they stopped at kindness we wouldn't be in this situation. Collateral damage I suppose.

It works. They bait us,we smile and tell the truth. Think Reagan. It works. Talk to the moderates.

 

[Lagmeister1950]

NO The reason is to bait us into responding in a way that justifies the use of that arsenal.
There is a reason the information, which could easily be hidden behind a black project is being released. Do not be manipulated.

Support of gun laws is soft and they know it. So they invent some and push our paranoia buttons. And if we or anyone responds, then they get what they want. Please stay calm.

I remain ever calm. Actually, too old to be otherwise.
I have also encouraged folks, in other posts, not to hit any tripwires where the law is concerned. I have already ordered my 10 round mags and fully expect to wait until sometime in May for my handgun (hoping there will not be some phony baloney delay past the upcoming deadline). I do, however, believe that the government will always do the opposite of what they say they will do and if any law can be abused it always will be abused.

 

[mdshooter9090]

Max Baucus (D) of Montana up for Senate re-election in 2014. They can't afford to have a gun bill with him voting Yes. If so, he'll handily be voted out.

Politician since 1975, damn we need term limits so that Normal people will do 2 terms and get out.

I can't see anything making it though congress until after the 2014 election and even then history shows that the Gun grabbers are more likely to loss seats not gain them. Do I think Obama would if he could. Hell yes. Do I think he will no.

Thanks
Robert

 

[diesel-man]

If it comes, it will come inch by inch by inch, not in a big grab next year.

30 years ago, there were only a few states that allowed concealed carry, and now there are many more, and it works well. That is why it is important to keep fighting. Don't give an inch if you can help it.

If SB 281/HB294 passes, we fight in court.

If it passes, it should galvanize MD gun owners to become involved in politics, volunteer for gun friendly campaigns.

Contribute even small amounts to friendly politicians and organizations, even if it just enough for 1 box of cartridges.

I think we should fight this battle, then win, lose, or draw, see if we can start an offensive to kill the expended cartridge requirement, whatever fight happens with the Woolard decision. I think this is the strategy being used against us, ie carpet bombing us with new stupid regulations so we keep on the defensive.




Did we give up after the Germans bombed Pearl harbor? Who's with me, (As Bluto runs out of the room......)

The versions of History I recall: We were bombed by Zero fighters in Pearl Harbor (which is in our Kenyan presidents home State???) manufactured by what is now Mitsubishi. I can't recall the Germans ever bombing Pearl Harbor. I'm sure it was just a brainfart or something...Japan is the answer.

 

[onthefarm]

The versions of History I recall: We were bombed by Zero fighters in Pearl Harbor (which is in our Kenyan presidents home State???) manufactured by what is now Mitsubishi. I can't recall the Germans ever bombing Pearl Harbor. I'm sure it was just a brainfart or something...Japan is the answer.

This was a joke. Watch National Lampoons Animal House with John Bulushi. It's a famous movie scene...

 

[Rack&Roll]

The Plan is not Confiscation it's Attrition, (or Slow Motion Confiscation). It will not be like a bad B movie with door kickin' and ass kickin'.

Before Al Gore's Internet the govt. might have been able to confiscate, but in the era of instant communication and coordination there's no chance of that now. The blowback would be so severe that the confiscators would quit--remember the confiscators would be living amongst their neighbors and after a short time confiscating would set off widespread defections to the 2A side.

What we will see (until Republicans replace the Democraps) is the slow strangulation of gun owners-- as we are seeing this week. Remember, 30-35 years ago Marylanders could carry firearms openly. Now, they are making laws so confusing that people are just willing to give up rather than risk some mistake that gets them cuffed up. They are Boiling the Frog.

The states that are have become Shall Issue are places where Republicans made a good argument about crime and self-protection, and then used their majorities to vote it in. Just last year VA voted OUT their 25 year old One Gun A Month Rule. That's what conservative control of state legislatures can do.

So watch NY State--they up in an uproar and we will learn from their efforts to organize "We Will Not Comply" networks. They can't go WACO on us because, thanks to the net, we can organize much faster than they can confiscate.

 

[Brooklyn]

The Plan is not Confiscation it's Attrition, (or Slow Motion Confiscation). It will not be like a bad B movie with door kickin' and ass kickin'.

Before Al Gore's Internet the govt. might have been able to confiscate, but in the era of instant communication and coordination there's no chance of that now. The blowback would be so severe that the confiscators would quit--remember the confiscators would be living amongst their neighbors and after a short time confiscating would set off widespread defections to the 2A side.

What we will see (until Republicans replace the Democraps) is the slow strangulation of gun owners-- as we are seeing this week. Remember, 30-35 years ago Marylanders could carry firearms openly. Now, they are making laws so confusing that people are just willing to give up rather than risk some mistake that gets them cuffed up. They are Boiling the Frog.

The states that are have become Shall Issue are places where Republicans made a good argument about crime and self-protection, and then used their majorities to vote it in. Just last year VA voted OUT their 25 year old One Gun A Month Rule. That's what conservative control of state legislatures can do.

So watch NY State--they up in an uproar and we will learn from their efforts to organize "We Will Not Comply" networks. They can't go WACO on us because, thanks to the net, we can organize much faster than they can confiscate.

We are not frogs. Frogs do not show up to testify in statehouses.. That alone changes the game. And we have just begun.

 

[onthefarm]

The clip....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7vtWB4owdE

 

[X-Factor]

The versions of History I recall: We were bombed by Zero fighters in Pearl Harbor (which is in our Kenyan presidents home State???) manufactured by what is now Mitsubishi. I can't recall the Germans ever bombing Pearl Harbor. I'm sure it was just a brainfart or something...Japan is the answer.

Close, but not correct. The maker of the Zero was Fuji Heavy Industries which is now Subaru.

 

[onthefarm]

The Plan is not Confiscation it's Attrition, (or Slow Motion Confiscation). It will not be like a bad B movie with door kickin' and ass kickin'.

Before Al Gore's Internet the govt. might have been able to confiscate, but in the era of instant communication and coordination there's no chance of that now. The blowback would be so severe that the confiscators would quit--remember the confiscators would be living amongst their neighbors and after a short time confiscating would set off widespread defections to the 2A side.

What we will see (until Republicans replace the Democraps) is the slow strangulation of gun owners-- as we are seeing this week. Remember, 30-35 years ago Marylanders could carry firearms openly. Now, they are making laws so confusing that people are just willing to give up rather than risk some mistake that gets them cuffed up. They are Boiling the Frog.

The states that are have become Shall Issue are places where Republicans made a good argument about crime and self-protection, and then used their majorities to vote it in. Just last year VA voted OUT their 25 year old One Gun A Month Rule. That's what conservative control of state legislatures can do.

So watch NY State--they up in an uproar and we will learn from their efforts to organize "We Will Not Comply" networks. They can't go WACO on us because, thanks to the net, we can organize much faster than they can confiscate.

Yes, agree.


What we have to do is be happy warriors. Be nice to all. Present a clean, happy, non-threatening, helpful, thrifty, friendly, brave type of attitude to all, even the people who disagree with us. We are trying to win over the people who have been taught guns are bad, but are persuadable. They might not have direct knowledge about gun owners, but if we don't scare them away by being angry all the time, may come to our side.

 

[marte616]

What do you mean by "stage an(other) incident"?

Some of us believe that Sandy Hook was not consummated by one crazy kid and only one AR-15...that's al...and before you call me crazy, where is the trace data of the firearms used, the school surveillance video, the autopsies of the victims, etc? In 99% of mass shootings, you get that information in 2-3 days... What he long investigation and gag orders? There is no one to prosecute, right?

 

[cryptoman]

I should have been more specific...what incident do you think Obama staged?

 

[matt1]

Some of us believe that Sandy Hook was not consummated by one crazy kid and only one AR-15...that's al...and before you call me crazy, where is the trace data of the firearms used, the school surveillance video, the autopsies of the victims, etc? In 99% of mass shootings, you get that information in 2-3 days... What he long investigation and gag orders? There is no one to prosecute, right?

I dont know about sand hook though Ive considered it... but what about Chris Kyle, tell me that doesnt look like a hit. Why? Because he was literally the single biggest threat to any politician. He was obviously VERY pro gun and did not like where this country was headed. He would have been very high up on the list of important people to remove...

 

[zmayhem]

When every court has failed us and allowed a tyrannical government to strip us of our first rights, and then when they round up and kill all gun owners.

 

[Second Amendment]

Some of us believe that Sandy Hook was not consummated by one crazy kid and only one AR-15...that's al...and before you call me crazy, where is the trace data of the firearms used, the school surveillance video, the autopsies of the victims, etc? In 99% of mass shootings, you get that information in 2-3 days... What he long investigation and gag orders? There is no one to prosecute, right?

Yeah, the lack of information is suspicious to me as well. Where is the AR that was used, and wasn't it revealed that the bullet wound in the victims were from handgun calibers?

 

[Brooklyn]

This is my prediction based on what ive seen:

Obama knows he cant make much progress on his own, as such he is trying to trying to gain control of the House by appointing Nacy Pelosi as the speaker as well as appointing Judges he likes to the courts to gain further control. Once he has control in 2014 they will quickly start targeting the issues they want to gain absolute control. At this time laws such as confiscation will begin to take place as well as other socialistic extreme policies. Following this event I firmly believe certain states which are against this will ban finally together and reject federal authority. I think Texas will lead this front and many other states will join together with them. The next step would be for the texas and following states to repeal all of their national guard troops and bring them back to their home states to govern their borders and prepare for a potential civil war. The militia act gives states the power to raise their own armies independent of federal authority... The federal government can foresee this, that is why they have recently purchased 1.6 billion small arms bullets and 2700 MRAP's which are urban warfare vehicles(these are specifically being built for war in the streets of America). From there were all screwed as neither side will do well in this as those siding with Texas or republican/libertarian states hold more land, people and resources. But the extremest liberals and democrats hold the governmental power... A civil war would create an all out economic collapse and unrest which would spur our enemies to attack us as well. Shortly after America is lost and we're a 3rd world country. lol. Im not even one to think like this, but I see the signs and if it continues Im getting my butt out to New Zealand ha. just my thoughts...

OK. First the speaker of the house is not appointed by the President.

Then I lost you. Also nobody bought any ' bullets.' When you get to New Zealand log back in an let us know how they are doing re the 2a. Me I am going to hang here a while.

 

[LongTom]

I think you are wrong. Most people are all talk. I'm not saying you are one of them. I think we would be lucky to have 10% of gun owners to take up arms in such an event. I think it will be more like 1%. I don't plan on giving up anything, but chances are, I don't think they will come for most of us when we are home. Why have a shootout when they can clean me out while I am at work and then arrest me whenever?

I plan to hide them all and then go to jail over it.

When they are knocking on your door, and you are alone with your family, is NOT the time to fight.

There WILL be a time to go to battle - either armed or not, but that time is not the right time. Save it for when your life (or your death) can actually mean something for freedom.

Don't forfeit your life or place your family at risk.

 

[Brooklyn]

Yeah, the lack of information is suspicious to me as well. Where is the AR that was used, and wasn't it revealed that the bullet wound in the victims were from handgun calibers?

All media noise. There is a real report and it will be made public eventually. Anyone have any idea who the lead agency is?