The Machine Gun Nest membership card

[Roger Moree]

Today would have been a great to go shoot. Oh wait, my TMGNMD membership is worthless. Unless you count broken promises and lies (sorry, "half truths").

I tried to get my money back, but was told they are not refunding memberships!!!!

 

[fidelity]

... my TMGNMD membership is worthless ...

I tried to get my money back, but was told they are not refunding memberships!!!!

That's not reassuring. Maybe they fear a stampede once they allow (with people putting money toward Heritage memberships instead) - or maybe the terms of the purchase didn't allow for refunds whether or not the project came to fruition?

 

[AssMan]

That's not reassuring. Maybe they fear a stampede once they allow (with people putting money toward Heritage memberships instead) - or maybe the terms of the purchase didn't allow for refunds whether or not the project came to fruition?

They probably don't have the cash to provide them even if they wanted to.


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[DaemonAssassin]

That's not reassuring. Maybe they fear a stampede once they allow (with people putting money toward Heritage memberships instead) - or maybe the terms of the purchase didn't allow for refunds whether or not the project came to fruition?

I can understand the former, but the latter is a complete dick move and not cool, unless you are a Ferengi.

Seriously though. TMGN needs to start thinking about the image (or lack thereof) they have with the general public. People signed on to this 2+ years ago for the pre-order for memberships. I have no dog in this fight, other than an indoor range that is within 10 minutes of home. I don't have a membership with them, and at the rate it is going, I doubt anybody will renew their membership after the first year. TMGN's image is completely shattered, because of how they are handling this PR abortion, that is completely their fault. If they were serious about business and keeping people happy, they could at least do something that would put the members at ease. These "updates" on FB where they call out the county are unacceptable and I think the owners of TMGN know it, but are still grasping at straws, just to keep things going till they open or hit the point of no return and the business fails.

 

[DaemonAssassin]

They probably don't have the cash to provide them even if they wanted to.


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I am heavily inclined to agree with you, especially after all this time has gone by, I'm pretty sure their coffers are pretty low.

 

[CypherPunk]

That's not reassuring. Maybe they fear a stampede once they allow (with people putting money toward Heritage memberships instead) - or maybe the terms of the purchase didn't allow for refunds whether or not the project came to fruition?

AFAIK, at this time Heritage's business model is hourly rentals. There is no membership available.

 

[CypherPunk]

Today would have been a great to go shoot. Oh wait, my TMGNMD membership is worthless. Unless you count broken promises and lies (sorry, "half truths").

I tried to get my money back, but was told they are not refunding memberships!!!!

I think you are being a little harsh. Although there was talk of a fall 2014 opening or whatever, it was clear to me the pre-memberships (of which I have one) were reduced in price due to the risk/wait.

 

[fidelity]

AFAIK, at this time Heritage's business model is hourly rentals. There is no membership available.

I like that approach for a new place. They continually have keep to customers feeling like their money is well spent to draw traffic.

Is this a venue where you might teach classes? Have you taken a tour of the facility?

 

[Abacab]

They are clearly gun people. Especially the "co owner" in her video shooting the "fully automatic RIFLE" known as the MP5K.

 

[CypherPunk]

I like that approach for a new place. They continually have keep to customers feeling like their money is well spent to draw traffic.

Is this a venue where you might teach classes? Have you taken a tour of the facility?

I inquired about renting classrooms and came away with the impression Heritage did not embrace this mutually beneficial opportunity.

I know they will have their own training programs and training staff.

Perhaps I am wrong, or their position will evolve.

If it were my range, I'd almost give away classroom rentals to sell range time, farm good instructors, introduce shooters to the sport, and to Heritage's facility

 

[DanGuy48]

It seems kind of odd to me, not selling memberships, when there's another range just minutes away that does. Regardless of the rough start, there are a lot of people who aren't so anxious as many of us here and will certainly shoot at TMGN. Also, for those that shoot a lot, membership just makes good sense; we can be talking some major dollars/year at hourly rates. Also, given Maryland's restrictive environment, is there that much to be made off training? Are they counting on courses related to HQL for revenue? Or will they have a lot of club activity?

 

[Topher]

I inquired about renting classrooms and came away with the impression Heritage did not embrace this mutually beneficial opportunity.

I know they will have their own training programs and training staff.

Perhaps I am wrong, or their position will evolve.

If it were my range, I'd almost give away classroom rentals to sell range time, farm good instructors, introduce shooters to the sport, and to Heritage's facility

I interviewed for a full time instructor position at Heritage.
Let just say their teaching strategy and prep work and policies were ones I was comfortable with. I told them, unless I could make changes and had authority to do so I was not interested.

Fyi... during the interview I had the most civilian teaching experience and curriculum development experience in the room. By far.
They even ask me to lay out there RSO training program and started taking notes.

IMO Heritage had gaping holes in the training. They lived to idealistically.
Again just my opinion.

I hope I am wrong and they suceed. We will see.

Chris

 

[AssMan]

I just hope one of them opens before I move.


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[capinyoass]

I interviewed for a full time instructor position at Heritage.
Let just say their teaching strategy and prep work and policies were ones I was comfortable with. I told them, unless I could make changes and had authority to do so I was not interested.

Fyi... during the interview I had the most civilian teaching experience and curriculum development experience in the room. By far.
They even ask me to lay out there RSO training program and started taking notes.

IMO Heritage had gaping holes in the training. They lived to idealistically.
Again just my opinion.

I hope I am wrong and they suceed. We will see.

Chris

Did you apply at The Machine Gun Nest?

 

[Topher]

No I did not. Are they hiring?
I think they are farming out their training.

 

[donw@fyi.net]

I would like to "tone down" the negative rhetoric about TMGN. I don't know them. I did meet them at some fair type function. They seem like nice , somewhat naïve, people. But hey guys! They are young people who were overly optimistic before they tangled with an unfriendly bureaucracy. Cut them a break!

I've "battled" with the Maryland State Police and the BATFE. IT WAS A MAJOR PAIN!!!! (Lost one-the other is still "in progress" a mere 180 days later)

If you think you could have done better I look forward to shooting at your range in a month or two.

 

[DanGuy48]

No I did not. Are they hiring?
I think they are farming out their training.

L5-S1 Tactical will be doing all their training, the last I heard. They do have an in house class room for teaching classes.

http://l5s1tactical.com/

 

[fidelity]

I just hope one of them opens before I move.


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If you want to hit MPC sometime, just tell me.

 

[Roger Moree]

From TMGNMD facebook page dated 5/21: Both zoning administrators have individually agreed to get us our occupancy. Unfortunately, they're not giving us paperwork as of today. We requested that they give us the paperwork and they said they are working on it. We have reached out to everyone we can. The gentleman who's signature is needed is out of town for the rest of the week and weekend. We've left him many messages, so we're just waiting to hear back when he gets back into town.

Sorry, but this post is full of untruths. The county can't issue the U&O until the inspections are done. There are at least 1/2 dozen still needing to be done.

 

[TTMD]

Roger Moree, ladies & gentlemen! 13 posts total, all since May 13, & all focused on calling the TMGN folks liars & cheats. Seems like someone needs a big ol' hug!