Tavor or not Tavor..That is the question...

[DarthZed]

I like the AUG/MSAR as well, and will pick it over the Tavor when SHTF.

I own both and shoot the AUG better.

Dont get me wrong, the Tavor is an excellent bullpup. IN fact, i bought two of them.

I love my AUG; but I prefer the mag and bolt release on the Tavor. The Tavor seems to have better balance too...less nose heavy. But to be honest, in a SHTF scenario, I'm grabbing one of the AKs. I wouldn't want a plastic gun with plastic internals in that kind of situation.

 

[huesmann]

Get something else. Where are you going to get parts when it breaks?

Its another "wonder-gun" that does nothing special over other 30-50 year old platforms.

Get a soone to be BANNED Rifle you can get parts for:
Direct Impingement AR
AK 47/74
HK 91/G3
AR10/DPMS .308

The AR-10 is going to be banned after 10/1?

 

[erwos]

Are we comparing the AUG and the Tavor now? I have an AUG-A3-SA NATO and an 18" Tavor.

IMHO, the Tavor beats it in almost every category except for the trigger. When Geisselle or someone else comes out with a good Tavor trigger that gets it down to 5-6lbs, I don't know that the AUG will have much to brag about.

The AUG's modularity is nice, but I'm not a unit armorer where I'd really care that much.

 

[DarthZed]

Are we comparing the AUG and the Tavor now? I have an AUG-A3-SA NATO and an 18" Tavor.

IMHO, the Tavor beats it in almost every category except for the trigger. When Geisselle or someone else comes out with a good Tavor trigger that gets it down to 5-6lbs, I don't know that the AUG will have much to brag about.

The AUG's modularity is nice, but I'm not a unit armorer where I'd really care that much.

Isn't there a simple mod that you can do (removing a spring or something) that greatly reduces the trigger effort on the Tavor? I remember Sturmgewehre on the YouTube Military Arms Channel mentioning it.

Edit: Found it.

 

[erwos]

I have heard mixed reviews about what happens to reliability when you yank the trigger return spring... I'd honestly prefer to wait for Geisselle to come out with their solution.

One other oddity I noticed with my Tavor is that I had rather a lot of trouble using a 1-4x scope with it compared to my AR-15. Not sure why that was - just felt like I had difficulty getting my eye in the right spot, especially when moving from 1x to 4x. Maybe I need to reposition the scope, but it's really making me lean towards buying a Mepro MOR for it.

 

[DarthZed]

Interesting that you mentioned that. I'm trying to decide what to mount on my Tavor, and was considering a 1-4 scope. I'd love to eventually get an Elcan Spectre, but that's way out of my price range. Meh, probably just go with another EoTech. I really like the field of view you get with those. Can't afford anything atm, so the rifle is wearing an old 512,

 

[BRONZ]

Tavors are butt ugly. Now for the same price get a M1a

 

[Rabu Rabu]

Personally, I'd get what's going to be banned, seeing as Tavors can still be had with a little bit of ingenuity after 10/1

 

[Dukes Defense]

I have heard mixed reviews about what happens to reliability when you yank the trigger return spring... I'd honestly prefer to wait for Geisselle to come out with their solution.

One other oddity I noticed with my Tavor is that I had rather a lot of trouble using a 1-4x scope with it compared to my AR-15. Not sure why that was - just felt like I had difficulty getting my eye in the right spot, especially when moving from 1x to 4x. Maybe I need to reposition the scope, but it's really making me lean towards buying a Mepro MOR for it.

I did the trigger job and it did make the trigger much lighter. However, it also did not reset smoothly 100% of the time afterwards. Especially if I held the trigger in and eased it out to reset. I didn't have any issues mounting either my Vortex 1-4x-24 PST or my AIMPOINT Pro. I'm thinking about getting another AIMPOINT Pro or EOTech and a 3x magnifier for it. It definitely needs optics as primary sights.

 

[SCARCQB]

I have heard mixed reviews about what happens to reliability when you yank the trigger return spring... I'd honestly prefer to wait for Geisselle to come out with their solution.

One other oddity I noticed with my Tavor is that I had rather a lot of trouble using a 1-4x scope with it compared to my AR-15. Not sure why that was - just felt like I had difficulty getting my eye in the right spot, especially when moving from 1x to 4x. Maybe I need to reposition the scope, but it's really making me lean towards buying a Mepro MOR for it.

Same results for me. Im having a difficult time with standard height optics, taller optics results in a height over bore of about 4". If you zero that at 25 yards, you get a 25/525 yard bzo.

 

[ShallNotInfringe]

http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=132162

If you want to shoot one come out to Bollinger's on Saturday, 28th Sept. I'll bring mine for you to try. If you like it, you can do a purchase order with Bollinger's that day or purchase online (same day) and have it sent to them.

Gun is very easy to take apart and work on. Although, spare parts aren't readily available at this time, they will be as the market and hype calm down. PA state police are transitioning to all Tavors.... interesting since they built the US headquarters in Harrisburg. There is also a lot of LEO support to buy for their patrol rifle in other states. Will it take off? Who knows, it could be like the Glock .45 GAP which is used mostly by a few state police departments and solved a problem that didn't exist. However, the Tavor does offer real advantages over the traditional M4 in urban environments. What is a fact is that these will be banned in Maryland and the clock is ticking....

Wish I could take you up on this. Will be out of the state. Any chance you have time before this Sunday?

Will a purchase order work for a currently C&C item? Kind of a strange scenario, this one going directly to jail...

Thanks for the review and input to you and everyone.

I have heard mixed reviews about what happens to reliability when you yank the trigger return spring... I'd honestly prefer to wait for Geisselle to come out with their solution.

One other oddity I noticed with my Tavor is that I had rather a lot of trouble using a 1-4x scope with it compared to my AR-15. Not sure why that was - just felt like I had difficulty getting my eye in the right spot, especially when moving from 1x to 4x. Maybe I need to reposition the scope, but it's really making me lean towards buying a Mepro MOR for it.

Is it a known fact that Geisselle plans to make a custom trigger for the Tavor in the near future?

 

[smdub]

Any chance you have time before this Sunday?
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Is it a known fact that Geisselle plans to make a custom trigger for the Tavor in the near future?

Can you make it near Jessup sometime (near 2A)? If so, email me.

I don't think its confirmed geisselle is doing a trigger. But it has been confirmed that a complete AR trigger pack fits inside the trigger box and people are working on that soln. So when they get a box that takes most of (the trigger part itself is different obviously) an AR trigger, it will likely allow most any AR triggers to work. Last I looked, they are working hard on it... (and as a design engineer, what they are doing looks entirely feasible.) I have faith someone will come up with a better trigger for it. What gun DOESN'T have aftermarket trigger upgrade parts avail?

 

[SCARCQB]

Coming soon

http://gallowayprecision.com/iwi-tavor-performance/

 

[Markp]

The AR-10 is going to be banned after 10/1?

No, but it will be next year... you watch as they crow about the need to "update the list" because assault weapons are still being marketed directly to preschooler's and mentally defective people.

Just watch... that is my prediction.

 

[sailskidrive]

No, but it will be next year... you watch as they crow about the need to "update the list" because assault weapons are still being marketed directly to preschooler's and mentally defective people.

Just watch... that is my prediction.

Im sure theyre monitoring this forum and are prepping to update the bill next session. Also, I'm hoping they finally find a way to tax the air I breathe. All of this disposable income is a pure insult to their Socialist agenda.

 

[Scott7891]

All I know is I am happy with mine

I already have all of the standard military firearms and just ordered two complete AR lowers so I will be set when 10/1 comes around.

 

[ShallNotInfringe]

Can you make it near Jessup sometime (near 2A)? If so, email me.

I don't think its confirmed geisselle is doing a trigger. But it has been confirmed that a complete AR trigger pack fits inside the trigger box and people are working on that soln. So when they get a box that takes most of (the trigger part itself is different obviously) an AR trigger, it will likely allow most any AR triggers to work. Last I looked, they are working hard on it... (and as a design engineer, what they are doing looks entirely feasible.) I have faith someone will come up with a better trigger for it. What gun DOESN'T have aftermarket trigger upgrade parts avail?

Thank you!!!!

Was so nice of you to let me try it.

Ok, so here is my review, short and sweet... Maybe I made a mistake taking the le6920, but it felt nearly identical to it in terms of recoil (always a main concern for me) and trigger weight. I warmed up on the colt and braced myself for more recoil, was shocked to find it was not a discernible difference. I even did a quick transition between the two and , quite frankly, couldn't tell a great difference in much. I was more accurate with the le6920 but that may have been due it being more like an old, comfortable shoe to me.

Was a bit awkward to hold (odd weight balance) but seems like a more sensible, close quarter HD firearm than a full size AR.

So the verdict is....... Undecided. . I know the clock and availability is running down, but the question remains... Ta Vor or not Ta Vor?

 

[Long1MD]

Don't waste your money on such a non versatile weapon. It really is set up for close quarters only. Seems like you have to get a little to close for comfort to be effective. Being practical, go with an AR of some type...10,15, whichever. Whoever is on the receiving end isn't going to stop you to let you know how "cool" your rifle looks. This does not look like a rifle that would be comfortable in the prone position. When you realize that, you will realize that you really overspent....just MHO

 

[Rabu Rabu]

Don't waste your money on such a non versatile weapon. It really is set up for close quarters only. Seems like you have to get a little to close for comfort to be effective. Being practical, go with an AR of some type...10,15, whichever. Whoever is on the receiving end isn't going to stop you to let you know how "cool" your rifle looks. This does not look like a rifle that would be comfortable in the prone position. When you realize that, you will realize that you really overspent....just MHO

Quite the inverse in my experience, an 18" tavor enables me to plink my gong at 230 much more easily than my AR does, And prone is quite comfy, but that's just me being a super cool operator with a gun I don't actually own.

Rich Cousins are awesome.

 

[Jimbob2.0]

Quite the inverse in my experience, an 18" tavor enables me to plink my gong at 230 much more easily than my AR does, And prone is quite comfy, but that's just me being a super cool operator with a gun I don't actually own.

Rich Cousins are awesome.

Easy get both