No more SBRs

[TNW]

He didn't specifically say it was a private response BUT it has a clause at the bottom of the email saying no duplication or copying without express consent.

Ill ask him if I can post it on the Scotts Gunsmithing website I do work on.

Did it say no paraphrasing

 

[clandestine]

Did it say no paraphrasing

My original post is my best attempt at that.

I have asked him for permission to post the response, if he does Ill post it for anyone who wants a copy.

 

[bobthefisher]

I think I see what you're saying... What does the general consensus seem to be? So form 1 SBRs are good to go with the standard NFA paperwork right? They can just not be transferred in state?

Well... you know my response. But, yes you're correct, you couldn't transfer it within the state unless it was on the MD handgun roster list specifically. So for example, today you could walk into a gun shop, buy an AR-15 HBAR cash & carry (no 77r), and then fill out a ATF Form 1 to make an SBR, but within the confines of the copycat clauses. It doesn't have to be an HBAR.

 

[clandestine]

I hope Bob is correct in his summary. Its more of a win than the SBR is a Copycat.

 

[bobthefisher]

Huh... well look at that! The Zastava M92 is 31.3 inches in OAL with a stock extended. Knock off a couple inches to remove the flash hider and you get just over 29 inches. Hmm seems like a good candidate for a roster submission to me! Not to mention that CAI is continuing to import a whole bunch of these from Serbia in their pistol configuration. You see them all the time at PA gun shows.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zastava_M92

 

[dblas]

http://www.atf.gov/files/publications/download/p/atf-p-5320-8/atf-p-5320-8-chapter-2.pdfCPL

CPL Edwards replied to my OAL Letter. It has a confidentiality clause so I can't post it but he did say the OAL is 100% measured by ATF Standards.

He sent this link above.

Jeez, didn't trust what I posted from someone with a higher rank, so you had to go a ask someone with a lower rank and then post the same damn thing...Sheesh...Trouble maker.

 

[clandestine]

Jeez, didn't trust what I posted from someone with a higher rank, so you had to go a ask someone with a lower rank and then post the same damn thing...Sheesh...Trouble maker.

Well you rank higher than me so that's how they handled it.


I can only assume Cpl. Edwards just happened to be on the PC when that came through.

I believed you 100%, I just wanted something I could post to put a stop to the people spreading bad info and shops selling guns that don't meet the OAL.

 

[clandestine]

Sorry guys the email response I received is considered private. The Trooper said the link explains how OAL is measured and the MSP uses the same standard as BATFE.

 

[teratos]

Sorry guys the email response I received is considered private. The Trooper said the link explains how OAL is measured and the MSP uses the same standard as BATFE.

That's one of the things we really needed to know. Now we just need to start a sticky with stock lengths.

 

[clandestine]

That's one of the things we really needed to know. Now we just need to start a sticky with stock lengths.

I'm not sure how to get a response that can be duplicated.

I'm doing a Pre 10//2013 AR Receiver on a Approved Form 1 sent in 4/1/2013 and approved 3/5/2014

It is a 5.56 gun that I'm making a desperate setup in 9mm that uses a HAHN Bottom Block Adaptor, LWRC UCIW Stock, 4.5" 9mm Barrel threaded 1/2-28 (For my Octane 9 Can), CMMG Bolt, CMMG Upper, and Pistol YHM F.F. Lightweight Rail.

The lil beast will be like 21" collapsed. I need to know how my Pre 10/1 and Form 1 can be configured. I will not build this till I know Im ok.

 

[annihilation-time]

Not HBAR:/ it's going on a post 10/1 Colt HBAR so I need a 10.3 heavy barrel.

You could do a 300 Blackout.

https://danieldefense.com/upper-receiver-groups/pistol-length-urg/daniel-defense-m4-urg-300-sbr.html

 

[teratos]

I'm not sure how to get a response that can be duplicated.

I'm doing a Pre 10//2013 AR Receiver on a Approved Form 1 sent in 4/1/2013 and approved 3/5/2013

It is a 5.56 gun that I'm making a desperate setup in 9mm that uses a HAHN Bottom Block Adaptor, LWRC UCIW Stock, 4.5" 9mm Barrel threaded 1/2-28 (For my Octane 9 Can), CMMG Bolt, CMMG Upper, and Pistol YHM F.F. Lightweight Rail.

The lil beast will be like 21" collapsed.

Nice. I finally sent in the Form 1 on that 9mm AR you put together for me. I can't wait to get a stock on it. I know it's blasphemy, but I just don't understand AR pistols. OAL will be 22" with the ACE SOCOM stock I plan to put on it.

 

[clandestine]

Nice. I finally sent in the Form 1 on that 9mm AR you put together for me. I can't wait to get a stock on it. I know it's blasphemy, but I just don't understand AR pistols. OAL will be 22" with the ACE SOCOM stock I plan to put on it.

That's a nice setup your going with. I like those lowers.

Im dying here because I have the parts and the approval letter but I don't want to assemble something that not ok, well that and I haven't been in the shop in 6+ months.

 

[teratos]

That's a nice setup your going with. I like those lowers.

Im dying here because I have the parts and the approval letter but I don't want to assemble something that not ok, well that and I haven't been in the shop in 6+ months.

Those lowers are still legal......

 

[clandestine]

Those lowers are still legal......

They are still legal? Well, Im going to write the MSP and tell then about the Evil Glock AR Lower Loophole off DEATH!

Just kidding. I tried to order one and they said they have no ETA on delivery. At least I have a FFL that I can have take the transfer.

 

[teratos]

They are still legal? Well, Im going to write the MSP and tell then about the Evil Glock AR Lower Loophole off DEATH!

Just kidding. I tried to order one and they said they have no ETA on delivery. At least I have a FFL that I can have take the transfer.

It took about 3-4 months for mine to come in. I hear they are longer than that now. Some FFL's should start to carry them.......


Please don't write MSP. Every time you do, a puppy dies.

 

[clandestine]

It took about 3-4 months for mine to come in. I hear they are longer than that now. Some FFL's should start to carry them.......


Please don't write MSP. Every time you do, a puppy dies.

If it means more business then Mr. Larry will squish the idea. Cant have a busy store.

 

[aaronn]

I'm not sure how to get a response that can be duplicated.

I'm doing a Pre 10//2013 AR Receiver on a Approved Form 1 sent in 4/1/2013 and approved 3/5/2014

It is a 5.56 gun that I'm making a desperate setup in 9mm that uses a HAHN Bottom Block Adaptor, LWRC UCIW Stock, 4.5" 9mm Barrel threaded 1/2-28 (For my Octane 9 Can), CMMG Bolt, CMMG Upper, and Pistol YHM F.F. Lightweight Rail.

The lil beast will be like 21" collapsed. I need to know how my Pre 10/1 and Form 1 can be configured. I will not build this till I know Im ok.

Nice. I finally sent in the Form 1 on that 9mm AR you put together for me. I can't wait to get a stock on it. I know it's blasphemy, but I just don't understand AR pistols. OAL will be 22" with the ACE SOCOM stock I plan to put on it.

How are you guys keeping it <29"? Since it's less than 26" it's fine?

 

[teratos]

How are you guys keeping it <29"? Since it's less than 26" it's fine?

My 9mm AR has a 5" barrel........

I sent in my Form 1 prior to 10/1. Not sure if it matters, at this point. You are correct that according to the Freedom Suppression Act of 2013, a rifle must be > 29". It remains to be seen how SBRs are going to be handled. I have months left to find out.....

 

[bobthefisher]

I'm not sure how to get a response that can be duplicated.

I'm doing a Pre 10//2013 AR Receiver on a Approved Form 1 sent in 4/1/2013 and approved 3/5/2014

It is a 5.56 gun that I'm making a desperate setup in 9mm that uses a HAHN Bottom Block Adaptor, LWRC UCIW Stock, 4.5" 9mm Barrel threaded 1/2-28 (For my Octane 9 Can), CMMG Bolt, CMMG Upper, and Pistol YHM F.F. Lightweight Rail.

The lil beast will be like 21" collapsed. I need to know how my Pre 10/1 and Form 1 can be configured. I will not build this till I know Im ok.

Whoa Whoa... stop!

Clandestine,

You submitted the Form 1 to the ATF and the $200 check was cashed before Oct. 1st, correct? If so, that's your Purchase Order before the Oct. 1st deadline to build a pre-ban firearm, even after the Oct. 1st deadline. That even came up in one of the FFL MSP meetings. Anything goes as long as you submitted, and checks were cashed for NFA forms before Oct. 1st. You're good to go man.