Damn, didn’t know that one. Does the CCW have to be from PA?
Google the details on the exact benefits it gives, but there are some transport exceptions for people with "a" carry permit. It can be from any state.
Damn, didn’t know that one. Does the CCW have to be from PA?
Damn, didn’t know that one. Does the CCW have to be from PA?
Yes, you need a PA permit to have loaded magazines in PA. I found out kinda by accident...after years of doing it wrong...Shhhhhh.
Edit: Now seeing Swinokur's post I'm corrected on at least having a permit that PA recognizes.
Unless designated collector, law states to and from range, gun smith ect. By the letter of the law, stopping for gas, work ect is a no no.
The designated collector letter does NOT convey anycollector statusspecial transport privileges.
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Quote the law.
Correct. DC letter is ONLY to buy more than twelve handguns a year and absolutely nothing else.
Meanwhile, there is absolutely no provision in the law against stopping for gas or to eat dinner at a restaurant.
Except as provided in subsection (b) of this section, a person may not:
(i) wear, carry, or transport a handgun, whether concealed or open, on or about the person;
(ii) wear, carry, or knowingly transport a handgun, whether concealed or open, in a vehicle traveling on a road or parking lot generally used by the public, highway, waterway, or airway of the State;
(iii) violate item (i) or (ii) of this paragraph while on public school property in the State; or
(iv) violate item (i) or (ii) of this paragraph with the deliberate purpose of injuring or killing another person.
(2) There is a rebuttable presumption that a person who transports a handgun under paragraph (1)(ii) of this subsection transports the handgun knowingly.
Again, I repeat,
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There is nothing in the law about Designated Collector Letters.
There is nothing in the law about stopping to buy shoes or get gas or eating lunch.
So Double ********.
Sorry if I come off a bit cranky, but I do get sick of this incessantly repeated ********.
People come here for information. If they get ********, then someone should at least point out that it is ********, so the reader can at least be advised to look into it further.
An earlier post listed Five Levels of Truth, and made some good points. Other people clearly said that they prefer to err on the side of caution, for instance not going out of their way to shop for wallpaper while on the way to the pistol range. That is fine, and I respect that.
But don't go saying "Unless designated collector, law states to and from range, gun smith ect. By the letter of the law, stopping for gas, work ect is a no no." because it is Double ******** and demonstrably false.
There’s the “minimum” required by law which is good to know. Then there is the going above and beyond because, as you’ve seen, every officer isn’t going to know all the ins and outs of the law. Handguns must be unloaded and in an enclosed case or holster. I guess technically you could have your pistol in a zipper pouch on the passenger seat but kept out of sight by being buried in loaded mags. Though most would recommend more discretion.
The big area of gray for handgun transport is the when going to or from range, gunshot, etc. Its a broad spectrum. Some folks won’t stop for gas on the way to the range. Others are probably a little more liberal on the interpretation. I’m not aware of any case law on this.
Personally, I do carry loaded mags in my range bag among with a copy of the letter from the AG’s office stating there is no law against it.
It just sank in , we're speaking with someone new to shooting, and new to MDS, so I can dust off my trusty bromide on the subject :
We are NOT having "A conversation " , we are having five different conversations at the same time.
1. Actual Federal Law
2. Actual State Law
3. What a major LE *Agency* says on paper, official Website , etc .
4. What random rank & rile LE Ofc happens to say
5. What is wise for a Reasonable & Prudent gun owner to do .
5 usually different things.
And #3 isn't necessarily correct . A certain State Police ( not Md ) was notorious for having deliberately incorrect information on their webpage .
There’s the “minimum” required by law which is good to know. Then there is the going above and beyond because, as you’ve seen, every officer isn’t going to know all the ins and outs of the law. Handguns must be unloaded and in an enclosed case or holster. I guess technically you could have your pistol in a zipper pouch on the passenger seat but kept out of sight by being buried in loaded mags. Though most would recommend more discretion.
The big area of gray for handgun transport is the when going to or from range, gunshot, etc. Its a broad spectrum. Some folks won’t stop for gas on the way to the range. Others are probably a little more liberal on the interpretation. I’m not aware of any case law on this.
Personally, I do carry loaded mags in my range bag among with a copy of the letter from the AG’s office stating there is no law against it.
It just sank in , we're speaking with someone new to shooting, and new to MDS, so I can dust off my trusty bromide on the subject :
We are NOT having "A conversation " , we are having five different conversations at the same time.
1. Actual Federal Law
2. Actual State Law
3. What a major LE *Agency* says on paper, official Website , etc .
4. What random rank & rile LE Ofc happens to say
5. What is wise for a Reasonable & Prudent gun owner to do .
5 usually different things.
And #3 isn't necessarily correct . A certain State Police ( not Md ) was notorious for having deliberately incorrect information on their webpage .
AgreedI think these are both excellent posts.
Yes, you need a PA permit to have loaded magazines in PA. I found out kinda by accident...after years of doing it wrong...Shhhhhh.
Edit: Now seeing Swinokur's post I'm corrected on at least having a permit that PA recognizes.
Yes, I agree you make a good point about Five Conversations.
I agree it is prudent to be careful. I realized long, long before the internet that firearms transport in Maryland was a huge gray area of the law. I have heard many amusing stories, and some not so amusing, about crazy misconceptions which individual LEOs have about the law. I don't expect to settle anything with a LEO on the side of the road.
But if someone posts a flagrant untruth, that "the letter of the law says" something it flat out does not say, then I will call that out and ask for a citation. The internet is full of bad information. It is a public duty to challange it.
Correct. DC letter is ONLY to buy more than twelve handguns a year and absolutely nothing else.
I thought being a DC allowed you to also take all or part of your collection someplace to "show" it.
You don't have to go as far as OBX . Fenwick , De is right on the state line adjacent to Ocean City. Rehobith, Bethany , etc are similar distance as OC .
No , you wouldn't be marvelling at the .45 in my speedo . You'd be shaking you head at the guy with a fanny pack slung over his shoulder .
True, but Delaware is a Blue state. N.C. is still mostly red. With all the illegal aliens heading there, it may end up like Virginia. In the meantime, the OBX crowd are more my style. Still see lots of NRA stickers and even Confederate flags. Even the DC area crowd that stay there lean to the right. YMMV.