MSP Licensing Division report to Legislature 1/25/2023

[swinokur]

Yeah I just passed a chain gang on 140 and Malcom Drive.

Stay away if you know what’s good for you

 

[eruby]

Yeah I just passed a chain gang on 140 and Malcom Drive.

Stay away if you know what’s good for you

Sam Cooke approves

 

[swinokur]

But of course mon ami

 

[Rickman]

Yeah I just passed a chain gang on 140 and Malcom Drive.

Stay away if you know what’s good for you

Well, doncha know?

 

[Brychan]

What would be interesting to see is not just the population per county, but those with out disqualifying records.

There is no way to know, but I wonder how many are carrying without bothering with a permit.

Plus how many just can't plain afford the money and/or time to get a permit. Really need to pound the politicians with their racism against the lower income population.

 

[swinokur]

It’s too late. I’m stuck in this backwards, freedom hating hell hole full of Uber liberal snobs.

Oh wait.

 

[dontpanic]

So, some interesting tidbits in there. #1 was medical mj cards are NOT a disqualifier for W&C permits.#2, and more importantly, three of the top four jurisdictions with the most permits are BaltCo, PGCo, and Balt City. So wouldn't SB1 be unfairly targeting the people that live in those jurisdictions? IE People of color and minorities? Seems like a good talking point to me.

So how does this work if you can't buy a handgun if you have the card? Are they admitting they have it wrong in both cases?

 

[Mark75H]

Was that a joke? Somerset is poor compared to Talbot.

Somerset poor compared to every county in the state. I was incorrect in that Allegheny is poor than Talbot.

 

[Mark75H]

So how does this work if you can't buy a handgun if you have the card? Are they admitting they have it wrong in both cases?

You are exactly correct Maryland state police has clearly said it is not a disqualifier for the permit but you are correct. It is a federal disqualifier for a purchase so you can get an HQL but you may not purchase a firearm.

 

[Harrys]

114,000+ permits x $100.00 great windfall for the MD budget.

 

[lazarus]

Kent has a large number of leftists. That could also be 1 reason for that county.

Perhaps. But if you break it down by numbers, Carroll does not have 7x the percentage of conservatives than MoCo does. Is it is a LOT more? For sure.

According to Carroll County board of elections as of January, there were 64k registered republicans, 33k registered democrats, 29k unaffiliated. 2:1 Republican to Dem. About an even split between Republican and Dem or Unaffiliated.

MoCo is 411k Dems, 97k Republicans, 158k unaffiliated. About 4:1 Dem to Republican, or about 8:5 Dem to Republican/Unaffiliated. You'd have to assume all of those unaffiliated in MoCo are closet libs and all of those unaffiliated in Carroll are closet conservatives before you start getting close to the ratios you'd need to see a similar set of ratios in handgun permitting. You'd get about 6:1 in MoCo and 1:3 in Carroll With the handgun ratios being about 7:1 Carroll to MoCo. Even looking at other counties, there a lot of counties in Maryland that are much higher Republican to Democrat ratios than Carroll is.

I have no doubt politics and political persuasion as well as gun ownership rates probably have a ton to do with it. But it isn't all of it. I would be curious to know what IS behind it all, because I don't think that explains it, in its entirety.

 

[lazarus]

114,000+ permits x $100.00 great windfall for the MD budget.

Keep in mind MSP also had to pickup, what? 20 or so full time staff to handle the influx of permitting? Not including staff hours pulled from other work. That's more than I assume the extra staff is costing, but MSP probably picked up 2-3 million a year in salary and benefit obligations for those hired to work all of the permits. Plus, other costs to print and mail permits. Assuming permits cost nothing to process, that is $11.4 million. On a budget measured in the tens of billions, that is a drop in the bucket. When you figure probably half of that is getting sucked up by salaries they have to pay and various costs to process the paperwork and mail permits a few million isn't much in the end for the Maryland budget.

 

[308Scout]

I have no doubt politics and political persuasion as well as gun ownership rates probably have a ton to do with it. But it isn't all of it. I would be curious to know what IS behind it all, because I don't think that explains it, in its entirety.

In the case of MoCo, I'm wondering how many folks that would have otherwise applied for a permit were dissuaded when MoCo bill 21-22 was rolled out in July or are now taking a "wait and see" attitude with everything that transpired with it since. I suspect it's essentially the additive effect of multiple causes keeping the % as low as it is there, though.

 

[Mark75H]

Kent has a large number of leftists. That could also be 1 reason for that county.

Washington College and associated environs ... and comeheres from NYC and NJ. What was once a solid red county is now purple going blue.

 

[Trigger Time]

I suspect Talbot, Somerset and Kent have such low numbers because of local poverty.

Have you been to Talbot Co. lately? There are no poor there, it's overrun with rich liberals fleeing DC.

 

[Bob A]

I thought this was interesting. Here's a quick look at the permit numbers (from Slide 6) relative to county populations.

County	Population	Permits	%
Carroll	174,619​	6,101​	3.5%​
Calvert	93,998​	3,250​	3.5%​
Queen Anne's	50,498​	1,636​	3.2%​
Garrett	28,419​	920​	3.2%​
St. Mary's	116,366​	3,387​	2.9%​
Allegheny	66,012​	1,835​	2.8%​
Harford	265,754​	7,181​	2.7%​
Caroline	33,362​	890​	2.7%​
Charles	172,638​	4,555​	2.6%​
Cecil	104,511​	2,669​	2.6%​
Dorchester	32,504​	799​	2.5%​
Washington	156,889​	3,702​	2.4%​
Worcester	52,763​	1,241​	2.4%​
Talbot	37,448​	831​	2.2%​
Somerset	24,065​	513​	2.1%​
AA	603,441​	12,809​	2.1%​
Baltimore Co.	869,388​	17,464​	2.0%​
Kent	18,898​	355​	1.9%​
Frederick	283,216​	5,275​	1.9%​
Wicomico	105,046​	1,760​	1.7%​
Balt City	575,133​	8,218​	1.4%​
PG	998,335​	12,856​	1.3%​
Howard	345,886​	3,941​	1.1%​
Montgomery	1,089,145​	5,933​	0.5%​

Proud to be part of the 0.5%

 

[thomfantomas]

Proud to be part of the 2.0%

 

[win296]

So based on the PowerPoint there are 20K permits in the pipeline, giving us 100K soon. My guess is the total will go to 300K before things settle out.


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[308Scout]

So based on the PowerPoint there are 20K permits in the pipeline, giving us 100K soon. My guess is the total will go to 300K before things settle out.


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In terms of total permits, we're already past 100K... just under 115K total reported at the top of slide 6. The 20K noted "in the pipeline" are from 2022 alone and doesn't even include 2023 applications.

 

[dblas]

So how does this work if you can't buy a handgun if you have the card? Are they admitting they have it wrong in both cases?

Their answer is that the W&C and the HQL are state level permits and state law controls, so the state does not see the MMC as a prohibitor to getting either card.
As for purchasing, federal law is still controlling and a MMC is a prohibitor for purchase.