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  • swinokur

    In a State of Bliss
    Patriot Picket
    Apr 15, 2009
    55,325
    Westminster USA
    Yeah I just passed a chain gang on 140 and Malcom Drive.

    Stay away if you know what’s good for you
     

    Brychan

    Ultimate Member
    Apr 24, 2009
    8,366
    Baltimore
    What would be interesting to see is not just the population per county, but those with out disqualifying records.

    There is no way to know, but I wonder how many are carrying without bothering with a permit.

    Plus how many just can't plain afford the money and/or time to get a permit. Really need to pound the politicians with their racism against the lower income population.
     

    dontpanic

    Ultimate Member
    Jul 7, 2013
    6,613
    Timonium
    So, some interesting tidbits in there. #1 was medical mj cards are NOT a disqualifier for W&C permits.#2, and more importantly, three of the top four jurisdictions with the most permits are BaltCo, PGCo, and Balt City. So wouldn't SB1 be unfairly targeting the people that live in those jurisdictions? IE People of color and minorities? Seems like a good talking point to me.
    So how does this work if you can't buy a handgun if you have the card? Are they admitting they have it wrong in both cases?
     

    Mark75H

    MD Wear&Carry Instructor
    Industry Partner
    MDS Supporter
    Sep 25, 2011
    17,035
    Outside the Gates
    So how does this work if you can't buy a handgun if you have the card? Are they admitting they have it wrong in both cases?
    You are exactly correct Maryland state police has clearly said it is not a disqualifier for the permit but you are correct. It is a federal disqualifier for a purchase so you can get an HQL but you may not purchase a firearm.
     

    lazarus

    Ultimate Member
    Jun 23, 2015
    13,625
    Kent has a large number of leftists. That could also be 1 reason for that county.
    Perhaps. But if you break it down by numbers, Carroll does not have 7x the percentage of conservatives than MoCo does. Is it is a LOT more? For sure.

    According to Carroll County board of elections as of January, there were 64k registered republicans, 33k registered democrats, 29k unaffiliated. 2:1 Republican to Dem. About an even split between Republican and Dem or Unaffiliated.

    MoCo is 411k Dems, 97k Republicans, 158k unaffiliated. About 4:1 Dem to Republican, or about 8:5 Dem to Republican/Unaffiliated. You'd have to assume all of those unaffiliated in MoCo are closet libs and all of those unaffiliated in Carroll are closet conservatives before you start getting close to the ratios you'd need to see a similar set of ratios in handgun permitting. You'd get about 6:1 in MoCo and 1:3 in Carroll With the handgun ratios being about 7:1 Carroll to MoCo. Even looking at other counties, there a lot of counties in Maryland that are much higher Republican to Democrat ratios than Carroll is.

    I have no doubt politics and political persuasion as well as gun ownership rates probably have a ton to do with it. But it isn't all of it. I would be curious to know what IS behind it all, because I don't think that explains it, in its entirety.
     

    lazarus

    Ultimate Member
    Jun 23, 2015
    13,625
    114,000+ permits x $100.00 great windfall for the MD budget.
    Keep in mind MSP also had to pickup, what? 20 or so full time staff to handle the influx of permitting? Not including staff hours pulled from other work. That's more than I assume the extra staff is costing, but MSP probably picked up 2-3 million a year in salary and benefit obligations for those hired to work all of the permits. Plus, other costs to print and mail permits. Assuming permits cost nothing to process, that is $11.4 million. On a budget measured in the tens of billions, that is a drop in the bucket. When you figure probably half of that is getting sucked up by salaries they have to pay and various costs to process the paperwork and mail permits a few million isn't much in the end for the Maryland budget.
     

    308Scout

    Ultimate Member
    MDS Supporter
    Mar 27, 2020
    6,464
    Washington County
    I have no doubt politics and political persuasion as well as gun ownership rates probably have a ton to do with it. But it isn't all of it. I would be curious to know what IS behind it all, because I don't think that explains it, in its entirety.
    In the case of MoCo, I'm wondering how many folks that would have otherwise applied for a permit were dissuaded when MoCo bill 21-22 was rolled out in July or are now taking a "wait and see" attitude with everything that transpired with it since. I suspect it's essentially the additive effect of multiple causes keeping the % as low as it is there, though.
     

    Bob A

    όυ φροντισ
    MDS Supporter
    Patriot Picket
    Nov 11, 2009
    30,310
    I thought this was interesting. Here's a quick look at the permit numbers (from Slide 6) relative to county populations.

    CountyPopulationPermits%
    Carroll
    174,619​
    6,101​
    3.5%​
    Calvert
    93,998​
    3,250​
    3.5%​
    Queen Anne's
    50,498​
    1,636​
    3.2%​
    Garrett
    28,419​
    920​
    3.2%​
    St. Mary's
    116,366​
    3,387​
    2.9%​
    Allegheny
    66,012​
    1,835​
    2.8%​
    Harford
    265,754​
    7,181​
    2.7%​
    Caroline
    33,362​
    890​
    2.7%​
    Charles
    172,638​
    4,555​
    2.6%​
    Cecil
    104,511​
    2,669​
    2.6%​
    Dorchester
    32,504​
    799​
    2.5%​
    Washington
    156,889​
    3,702​
    2.4%​
    Worcester
    52,763​
    1,241​
    2.4%​
    Talbot
    37,448​
    831​
    2.2%​
    Somerset
    24,065​
    513​
    2.1%​
    AA
    603,441​
    12,809​
    2.1%​
    Baltimore Co.
    869,388​
    17,464​
    2.0%​
    Kent
    18,898​
    355​
    1.9%​
    Frederick
    283,216​
    5,275​
    1.9%​
    Wicomico
    105,046​
    1,760​
    1.7%​
    Balt City
    575,133​
    8,218​
    1.4%​
    PG
    998,335​
    12,856​
    1.3%​
    Howard
    345,886​
    3,941​
    1.1%​
    Montgomery
    1,089,145​
    5,933​
    0.5%​
    Proud to be part of the 0.5%
     

    win296

    Active Member
    Jun 15, 2012
    230
    Baltimore
    So based on the PowerPoint there are 20K permits in the pipeline, giving us 100K soon. My guess is the total will go to 300K before things settle out.


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    308Scout

    Ultimate Member
    MDS Supporter
    Mar 27, 2020
    6,464
    Washington County
    So based on the PowerPoint there are 20K permits in the pipeline, giving us 100K soon. My guess is the total will go to 300K before things settle out.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
    In terms of total permits, we're already past 100K... just under 115K total reported at the top of slide 6. The 20K noted "in the pipeline" are from 2022 alone and doesn't even include 2023 applications.
     

    dblas

    Past President, MSI
    MDS Supporter
    Apr 6, 2011
    12,950
    So how does this work if you can't buy a handgun if you have the card? Are they admitting they have it wrong in both cases?
    Their answer is that the W&C and the HQL are state level permits and state law controls, so the state does not see the MMC as a prohibitor to getting either card.
    As for purchasing, federal law is still controlling and a MMC is a prohibitor for purchase.
     

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