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  • Decoy

    Ultimate Member
    MDS Supporter
    Mar 2, 2007
    4,926
    Dystopia
    But...but Frosh said no one would even apply for a permit because no one needs one.

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    308Scout

    Ultimate Member
    MDS Supporter
    Mar 27, 2020
    6,477
    Washington County
    I thought this was interesting. Here's a quick look at the permit numbers (from Slide 6) relative to county populations.

    CountyPopulationPermits%
    Carroll
    174,619​
    6,101​
    3.5%​
    Calvert
    93,998​
    3,250​
    3.5%​
    Queen Anne's
    50,498​
    1,636​
    3.2%​
    Garrett
    28,419​
    920​
    3.2%​
    St. Mary's
    116,366​
    3,387​
    2.9%​
    Allegheny
    66,012​
    1,835​
    2.8%​
    Harford
    265,754​
    7,181​
    2.7%​
    Caroline
    33,362​
    890​
    2.7%​
    Charles
    172,638​
    4,555​
    2.6%​
    Cecil
    104,511​
    2,669​
    2.6%​
    Dorchester
    32,504​
    799​
    2.5%​
    Washington
    156,889​
    3,702​
    2.4%​
    Worcester
    52,763​
    1,241​
    2.4%​
    Talbot
    37,448​
    831​
    2.2%​
    Somerset
    24,065​
    513​
    2.1%​
    AA
    603,441​
    12,809​
    2.1%​
    Baltimore Co.
    869,388​
    17,464​
    2.0%​
    Kent
    18,898​
    355​
    1.9%​
    Frederick
    283,216​
    5,275​
    1.9%​
    Wicomico
    105,046​
    1,760​
    1.7%​
    Balt City
    575,133​
    8,218​
    1.4%​
    PG
    998,335​
    12,856​
    1.3%​
    Howard
    345,886​
    3,941​
    1.1%​
    Montgomery
    1,089,145​
    5,933​
    0.5%​
     
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    jr88

    Ultimate Member
    MDS Supporter
    Mar 7, 2011
    3,153
    Free?? State
    Both very informative, Thanks JPG and 308 Scout. They graph doesn't tell the story I would expect but the percentage breakdown does. Bet I can guess how the lowest 4 counties in percentage voted. OTOH, I bet the libs in Annapolis will cite the bar graph slide and say too many guns going into areas that already have high gun crime. Let the spin begin.
     

    gtodave

    Member
    MDS Supporter
    Aug 14, 2007
    13,904
    Mt Airy
    Oh man, I'd have loved to have watched certain politicians squirm at those numbers, and hear the questions they asked.
     

    John from MD

    American Patriot
    MDS Supporter
    May 12, 2005
    22,470
    Socialist State of Maryland
    I suspect Talbot, Somerset and Kent have such low numbers because of local poverty.
    I think the numbers are low because many folks don't know that they can get one or how easy it is.

    I know many hunters that don't shoot targets and don't hang out on gun forums. The ones I have told that they could get a CCW jumped on it.
     

    GTOGUNNER

    IANAL, PATRIOT PICKET!!
    Patriot Picket
    Dec 16, 2010
    5,489
    Carroll County!
    Carroll County is not a very good place to live. That is why the numbers are so high.
    I don't recommend moving to Carroll, especially if you are in Montgomery, Howard or PG counties.
     

    AKbythebay

    Ultimate Member
    I thought this was interesting. Here's a quick look at the permit numbers (from Slide 6) relative to county populations.

    CountyPopulationPermits%
    Carroll
    174,619​
    6,101​
    3.5%​
    Calvert
    93,998​
    3,250​
    3.5%​
    Queen Anne's
    50,498​
    1,636​
    3.2%​
    Garrett
    28,419​
    920​
    3.2%​
    St. Mary's
    116,366​
    3,387​
    2.9%​
    Allegheny
    66,012​
    1,835​
    2.8%​
    Harford
    265,754​
    7,181​
    2.7%​
    Caroline
    33,362​
    890​
    2.7%​
    Charles
    172,638​
    4,555​
    2.6%​
    Cecil
    104,511​
    2,669​
    2.6%​
    Dorchester
    32,504​
    799​
    2.5%​
    Washington
    156,889​
    3,702​
    2.4%​
    Worcester
    52,763​
    1,241​
    2.4%​
    Talbot
    37,448​
    831​
    2.2%​
    Somerset
    24,065​
    513​
    2.1%​
    AA
    603,441​
    12,809​
    2.1%​
    Baltimore Co.
    869,388​
    17,464​
    2.0%​
    Kent
    18,898​
    355​
    1.9%​
    Frederick
    283,216​
    5,275​
    1.9%​
    Wicomico
    105,046​
    1,760​
    1.7%​
    Balt City
    575,133​
    8,218​
    1.4%​
    PG
    998,335​
    12,856​
    1.3%​
    Howard
    345,886​
    3,941​
    1.1%​
    Montgomery
    1,089,145​
    5,933​
    0.5%​

    My county shooting up to third with a bullet

    (nyut nyut nyut)
     

    lazarus

    Ultimate Member
    Jun 23, 2015
    13,629
    I think the numbers are low because many folks don't know that they can get one or how easy it is.

    I know many hunters that don't shoot targets and don't hang out on gun forums. The ones I have told that they could get a CCW jumped on it.
    Define easy? Was it possible? Yes.

    Easy would be the PA system. Pay $21, make an appointment, walk out with a permit after the background check. I know a couple of people who weren't aware who did go to get permits after they found out. I also know some people who haven't bothered because they don't have the time in their life to spend 16hrs on the class. One a working single mom of one who had a permit in NC, who'd like a permit here. However, she is an executive at a federal agency and works like 50+ hours a week, plus parenting and what not, she just doesn't have the personal time to basically take off two days from work to invest into a permit. She doesn't feel she HAS to get a permit. Just a nice to have. If there was a need, rather than a desire, she'd make the time.

    I think if this was dropped to a 4hr class, or no class at all, I think those numbers would be a solid 2-3x higher. As it stands, I think those numbers will stand up the next couple of years, with some slow down. I think 2023 we will probably see another ~100k get permits. Probably in 2024 also. Then I think it'll slow down a lot unless requirements are reduced.

    Some matters on what restrictions on where we can carry are, and if those have been rolled back. If MGA slaps effectively a ban on carry, I don't see a lot of people going through the hoops. Though I suspect those will get rolled back quickly.
     

    JerseyMike

    Active Member
    Dec 16, 2019
    437
    Germantown
    Carroll County is not a very good place to live. That is why the numbers are so high.
    I don't recommend moving to Carroll, especially if you are in Montgomery, Howard or PG counties.
    I’m a progressive from MoCo who wants to leave MoCo because of their paternalistic laws and high taxes, but I want to stay in Maryland because it is a safe space for me to express myself.

    I intend to vote blue no matter who and then feel morally superior to everyone because I did my part to make the world a better place. That’s it, that’s all I do for my fellow man: vote democrat. No volunteering, not charitable giving, nada.

    I’ve heard good things about Carroll County, why don’t you think it’s nice? Based on what I’ve said can you please recommend where you think I should go?
     

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