MSP Got one... Instructor caught cutting corners, permits invalidated.

[Bertfish]

Is there any issue with a QHIC certifying family for CCW? I haven't found anything that says it's an issue. If I'm signing my name saying they took the course then that's that regardless of who they are.

Derail begin. Kind of.

 

[scottyfz6]

Is there any issue with a QHIC certifying family for CCW? I haven't found anything that says it's an issue. If I'm signing my name saying they took the course then that's that regardless of who they are.

Derail begin. Kind of.

Legally no. I would not even sign for my friend whom I used as a reference when I got mine. I had the other instructor I teach with do his.

I dont see a problem with it, but it could heighten the level that persons app is looked at with.

 

[TheBert]

Ive been pulled over without my DL before and they didnt even care. Not even a warning (for that). I gave them my info respectfully, they looked me up and saw I had a clean record and let me go with a warning for speeding or tag lights or whatever they pulled me for.

Maybe theres a reason you have to have you W/C card with you? Seems like if they can look up your DL they should be able to look up your Carry license as well

They don't want to look you up, they want to lock you up and take away your W/C permit. This is Maryland, a right exercised is a right that should be taken away!

 

[Bertfish]

Legally no. I would not even sign for my friend whom I used as a reference when I got mine. I had the other instructor I teach with do his.

I dont see a problem with it, but it could heighten the level that persons app is looked at with.

Legal is all I need

What are they going to require that I provide video of me teaching because it's my dad/cousin/etc?

I'm planning to get it literally just for friends and family. It's a cost avoidance thing for me/us. Hundreds every 2 years or I can get it and handle instruction in exchange for lunch and ammo.

Not like having it mandates you to accept students who contact you.

 

[frank_e_h]

A good time to stop looking at Maryland firearm-related statutes is when you catch yourself asking “but, why …?”

There is never a solid rationale, and the real motivations for the legislators are always, always unrelated to their purported purpose. To wit: they hate you. You, personally. And everything you represent by harboring even a whiff of willingness to defend yourself or otherwise doing something individualistic in this state (starting a business, running a farm, having a vision for your kid’s education, etc). The language is in the statute because it makes your life harder and more easily puts you in legal jeopardy. That’s it.

WHY: so permits can be revoked. Antis want every reason possible to decrease the number of people carrying.

They don't want to look you up, they want to lock you up and take away your W/C permit. This is Maryland, a right exercised is a right that should be taken away!

True words!

 

[4g64loser]

Legal is all I need

What are they going to require that I provide video of me teaching because it's my dad/cousin/etc?

I'm planning to get it literally just for friends and family. It's a cost avoidance thing for me/us. Hundreds every 2 years or I can get it and handle instruction in exchange for lunch and ammo.

Not like having it mandates you to accept students who contact you.

You are just fine. No statutory issue with training anyone that you are legally entitled to train. Proceed with your plan.

I suspect that what you describe will become the "normal" within the MD gun culture until we find a way to get the training requirements killed. Someone will handle the training for their friends/family/gun club.

 

[Bertfish]

You are just fine. No statutory issue with training anyone that you are legally entitled to train. Proceed with your plan.

I suspect that what you describe will become the "normal" within the MD gun culture until we find a way to get the training requirements killed. Someone will handle the training for their friends/family/gun club.

I have this vision of a non-profit who teaches people for the lowest reasonable rate just so they can exercise their rights.

 

[FrankZ]

Legal is all I need

What are they going to require that I provide video of me teaching because it's my dad/cousin/etc?

I'm planning to get it literally just for friends and family. It's a cost avoidance thing for me/us. Hundreds every 2 years or I can get it and handle instruction in exchange for lunch and ammo.

Not like having it mandates you to accept students who contact you.

I have considered this as well.

 

[Bertfish]

I have considered this as well.

I'm not billing myself as some kind of high speed shooting instructor. This is about a box check.

 

[FrankZ]

I'm not billing myself as some kind of high speed shooting instructor. This is about a box check.

Exactly.

I have thought about doing this so family and friends can get what they need until we can get rid of the unconstitutional barrier.

 

[4g64loser]

I have this vision of a non-profit who teaches people for the lowest reasonable rate just so they can exercise their rights.

If you tilt that up, let me know. I'd put in a leave slip here and there to help out and I have QHIC.

 

[rbird7282]

just reading the statute. Just making sure all are aware. Seems very harsh since it can be verified in other ways.

AFAIK the only way would be for them to call the MD gun center and give them your ID info.
It is not tied to your driver’s license directly.


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[rbird7282]

Super-resistant gonorrhea is now a thing. Resistant to every antibiotic known to man.....

Wrap it before you tap it.


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[eruby]

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I'm not billing myself as some kind of high speed shooting instructor. This is about a box check.

That's what she said

 

[Biggfoot44]

I have this vision of a non-profit who teaches people for the lowest reasonable rate just so they can exercise their rights.

They're out there already .

 

[teratos]

Wrap it before you tap it.


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Nuke it from orbit.

 

[Bertfish]

They're out there already .

They're not well advertised then

 

[Biggfoot44]

They don't advertise"Hi , we're non- profit " . But at under $200 price point , it's de facto non profit .

( I've had in person conversations where they said to the effect " I'm not making anything , I'm doing it because I believe in it " , but any of them can name themselves if they wish ."

 

[scottyfz6]

I got mine for 3 reasons, not having to renew the class every two years, to teach thru my club, and 3 incase MGA trys anything funky ( it might help ).

I have done a class for a few friends out side of the club. We do zoom classes for about half of it a few hours at a time. Then do face to face one day when we can all get together for the last bit of hours and range time.

edit I did one lady for free, including the ammo. Her husband died and until everything worked out for the estate and wills she was living on family charity.

 

[LAC_MD]

AFAIK the only way would be for them to call the MD gun center and give them your ID info.
It is not tied to your driver’s license directly.


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Yes but if you have portal access or remember your permit number they can call the permit number in and get all the other info they may need. Hell the application also has your soundex number on it to help with validation…