Is it lawful to shoot an intruder who reaches for his waistband behind his back

[teratos]

Almygdala? What about your Medulla Oblongata?

Don't tell me you forgot about your Medulla Oblongata?

Very important…especially if you like breathing and stuff. Good catch!!

 

[Huckleberry]

Very important…especially if you like breathing and stuff. Good catch!!

Come on, Doc

The "Medulla Oblongata"is one of the best lines in Waterboy

 

[teratos]

Come on, Doc

The "Medulla Oblongata"is one of the best lines in Waterboy

Dammit.

I’m so bad with movie lines.

 

[Huckleberry]

Dammit.

I’m so bad with movie lines.

Well, I was slow with adding the Mama line on my edit. That would have gave it away for you

 

[tdt91]

when you already have your gun drawn on him and you tell him to put his hands up regardless of if he is actually armed? My instructor said that he has to be armed.

If the perp is threating to kill you, do you wait to see a gun he has behind his back?

 

[teratos]

If the perp is threating to kill you, do you wait to see a gun he has behind his back?

Yep. Don’t shoot a guy with a sammich.

Low ready

 

[Texasgrillchef]

What many people fail to realize is we can “what if” things to death.

The real truth to pulling our firearm or even using it in any state is always dependent on the actual circumstances.

No two situations are ever the same.

When a Grand Jury, or even a jury of your peers looks at the situation are They going to see your actions as being reasonable under the situation. It doesn’t matter how the law actually reads. What matters is how they will view your actions after the fact.

Can you and your lawyer convince the Jury that you had no other to choice but to pull your weapon, or to even shoot? Even if you are in a state with a “Stand Your Ground” law.

No matter how justified the shooting may actually be, it will still require a lawyer.

The dude who shot the shooter in the mall. He has a lawyer and will have to go in front of a Grand Jury.

The Guy in White Settlement Texas that shot the guy who came into the church shooting had to have a lawyer and went in front of a Grand Jury. Even the one in Houston.

So only pull your firearm, only shoot if you feel like their is no other choice. Don’t pull it to play your tough guy/gal cars. Don’t pull it to be all Hero like. Use your firearm only if you feel a life is in danger and you have no other choice.

The other thing I Tell my class’s is this. It doesn’t matter what the law is. If you feel and believe a life is in danger and you have no other choice then to use your firearm. Do so. Because it’s much better to be judged by 12 then carried by 6.

 

[CanDoEZ]

 

[teratos]

What many people fail to realize is we can “what if” things to death.

The real truth to pulling our firearm or even using it in any state is always dependent on the actual circumstances.

No two situations are ever the same.

When a Grand Jury, or even a jury of your peers looks at the situation are They going to see your actions as being reasonable under the situation. It doesn’t matter how the law actually reads. What matters is how they will view your actions after the fact.

Can you and your lawyer convince the Jury that you had no other to choice but to pull your weapon, or to even shoot? Even if you are in a state with a “Stand Your Ground” law.

No matter how justified the shooting may actually be, it will still require a lawyer.

The dude who shot the shooter in the mall. He has a lawyer and will have to go in front of a Grand Jury.

The Guy in White Settlement Texas that shot the guy who came into the church shooting had to have a lawyer and went in front of a Grand Jury. Even the one in Houston.

So only pull your firearm, only shoot if you feel like their is no other choice. Don’t pull it to play your tough guy/gal cars. Don’t pull it to be all Hero like. Use your firearm only if you feel a life is in danger and you have no other choice.

The other thing I Tell my class’s is this. It doesn’t matter what the law is. If you feel and believe a life is in danger and you have no other choice then to use your firearm. Do so. Because it’s much better to be judged by 12 then carried by 6.

Thinking through these scenarios is useful, if approached semi-academically. It’s like the book portion of training. If folks pay attention here, there are a ton of good points, different perspectives, and utter stupidity. You just need to figure out the difference. I enjoy these discussions.

 

[eruby]

Almygdala? What about your Medulla Oblongata?

Don't tell me you forgot about your Medulla Oblongata in our response mechanism?

Or did your Mama tell you something different?

.... all those teeth, and no toothbrush

 

[RoadDawg]

I'm sure you could find a knife or other weapon that you could put next to the body. Regular kitchen knife would do, doest matter if it's yours. He picked it up and came after you with it...

Yeah… go ahead and try to make yourself look righteous by adding evidence to the scene.
A kitchen knife, and old pos toy gun, or maybe a six sided dildo.

After all… Who’s going to know… right?

[/SARCASM]

 

[hodgepodge]

Everyone is making this too complicated!

OP asked

Is it lawful to shoot an intruder who reaches for his waistband behind his back(?)​

Answer: Yes, but if and only if 1) You scored greater than 125 on your HGP qualification 2)You have the appropriate permit for the county where the shooting occurs 3) No one is eating Chuckles 4) You are covered by the MSI insurance plan AND 5) You did not use a magazine that Carries more than 9.5 rounds.

 

[Biggfoot44]

Q: Is it OK to shoot someone , if they Really Were Cheating at high stakes poker ?

A: It depends upon which County in South Texas you are .

( This might seem like a joke , but actually not . But Do NOT try that in Maryland .)

 

[Blaster229]

I'm sure you could find a knife or other weapon that you could put next to the body. Regular kitchen knife would do, doest matter if it's yours. He picked it up and came after you with it...

Pretty sure you think you'll remember to wipe the gunshot residue off the knife that got on it from your hands from when you fired your pistol?
I doubt it.

Thing is, many think this is a legit move.

 

[Huckleberry]

.... all those teeth, and no toothbrush

You are one of those magic rays of sunshine that come down when we're feelin' blue

 

[lazarus]

It’s why I am never sarcastic.

I don't see what you did there. What did I miss?

 

[lazarus]

What many people fail to realize is we can “what if” things to death.

The real truth to pulling our firearm or even using it in any state is always dependent on the actual circumstances.

No two situations are ever the same.

When a Grand Jury, or even a jury of your peers looks at the situation are They going to see your actions as being reasonable under the situation. It doesn’t matter how the law actually reads. What matters is how they will view your actions after the fact.

Can you and your lawyer convince the Jury that you had no other to choice but to pull your weapon, or to even shoot? Even if you are in a state with a “Stand Your Ground” law.

No matter how justified the shooting may actually be, it will still require a lawyer.

The dude who shot the shooter in the mall. He has a lawyer and will have to go in front of a Grand Jury.

The Guy in White Settlement Texas that shot the guy who came into the church shooting had to have a lawyer and went in front of a Grand Jury. Even the one in Houston.

So only pull your firearm, only shoot if you feel like their is no other choice. Don’t pull it to play your tough guy/gal cars. Don’t pull it to be all Hero like. Use your firearm only if you feel a life is in danger and you have no other choice.

The other thing I Tell my class’s is this. It doesn’t matter what the law is. If you feel and believe a life is in danger and you have no other choice then to use your firearm. Do so. Because it’s much better to be judged by 12 then carried by 6.

Unless you are Ivanka Trump. Then you might need 10 to carry you.

#IKnowWhereJimmyHoffasWholeOfficeWasBuried

 

[esqappellate]

What Miranda Says:

You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can be used against you in court. You have the right to talk to a lawyer for advice before we ask you any questions. You have the right to have a lawyer with you during questioning. If you cannot afford a lawyer, one will be appointed for you before any questioning if you wish. If you decide to answer questions now without a lawyer present, you have the right to stop answering at any time.

What Miranda Means:

You should Shut The Fcck UP, Right now.

Anything you say, absolutely will be used by
High paid, politically motivated, prosecuting attorneys, to convict you of a crime, and send you to prison for a long time.

In case you were not paying attention to the first and second sentences above, You really really should talk to a lawyer for advice before we ask you any questions and you might as well have him with you during our Manipulative Questioning Sessions where we tell you, you have nothing to worry about, your not under investigation, but we are recording everything you say, and like we mentioned in sentence 2, we will give it to the prosecutor, who’s main reason for existence, is to nail you to the cross.

If you cannot afford a lawyer, one will be appointed for you before any questioning if you wish, which is better than opening your mouth without a lawyer present. However, the free lawyers are severely overworked, any have way too many cases, to give you the best advice possible, and the’ll probably try to convince you to plead guilty to lesser charges, in order to get you off their case list as soon as possible.

If you decide to answer questions now without a lawyer present, YOU ARE REALLY, REALLY STUPID, and you probably deserve all of the heartache and problems you are about to cause yourself, not to mention the making your future lawyers job even harder, which will inevitably cost you more time and money that you don’t have.

Oh, you have the right to stop answering at any time, but if we have gotten this far in the process, without talking to your lawyer first, you might as well start preparing your butthole for regular intrusions.


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LOL. Well put.

 

[ToolAA]

LOL. Well put.

I can’t take all of the credit for that. It was actually inspired by the person to taught my WC class a few years back. He spent a decent amount of class time talking about what to do should after a DGU. During which he said “You have the right to remain silent….“ but stress that the word “MAY“ was quite misleading, particularly to those who honestly felt they had done nothing illegal. The said you really have to have the phrase “WILL be used against you” in your mind, to really grasp the
seriousness of the situation. That discussion stuck hard with me and changed my outlook of how I should interact with police. I have great respect for the work they do and have several officer friends. I’ve discussed this specific point with them, and they say it’s sound advice.

 

[Blaster229]

I can’t take all of the credit for that. It was actually inspired by the person to taught my WC class a few years back. He spent a decent amount of class time talking about what to do should after a DGU. During which he said “You have the right to remain silent….“ but stress that the word “MAY“ was quite misleading, particularly to those who honestly felt they had done nothing illegal. The said you really have to have the phrase “WILL be used against you” in your mind, to really grasp the
seriousness of the situation. That discussion stuck hard with me and changed my outlook of how I should interact with police. I have great respect for the work they do and have several officer friends. I’ve discussed this specific point with them, and they say it’s sound advice.

You talk to the police 3 times.... 911,responding officers, and investigators. The least amount said, the better.