2A Tuesday

[swinokur]

exactly.

All I see are citizens exercising their 1A rights,, much as we do on 2A Tuesday.

No problems there whatsoever.

 

[501st]

Are you really so concerned, that you are granting antis validation they haven't earned??

Then I say you may have missed the point.

I don't underestimate the opposition. I prefer to take a proactive approach to minimize their effectiveness. If that means that I don't marginalize them, so be it. They still hold the advantage in this state (mostly through apathy) even if their actual membership/turnout is weak.

Of course, I have also been at events where they went unchecked ad were able to spew the lies/gain support without any kind of "reality" check/counter.

The fact of the matter is (for this particular organization) that the mom's shouldn't even exist. They have no real basis for their existence/positions. They were mostly motivated by a singular event which wasn't exactly the first of its kind. Their efforts actually do the opposite of what they supposedly intended. On a national level things were looking good until they merged with bloomberg's group. So I'm trying to do what I can at the state level to nullify their efforts.

Perhaps its my nature as a under the radar/behind the scenes guy, but this is how I operate.

I don't mind taking an all fronts approach, do you?

 

[501st]

exactly.

All I see are citizens exercising their 1A rights,, much as we do on 2A Tuesday.

No problems there whatsoever.

Let them do it on their own day. Or perhaps during the hearings for various bills.

Also do you not see the irony that they are using their "1A" rights to infringe or curtail your 2A rights?

 

[mxrider]

Let them do it on their own day. Or perhaps during the hearings for various bills.

As has been already said, the DGS will remove any counter protest as the permit holder is the only one allowed to be there.

 

[501st]

As has been already said, the DGS will remove any counter protest as the permit holder is the only one allowed to be there.

They don't even have to have a counter protest. They could just "show up" as bystanders or observers. Or go and visit the member of the legislature at the same time we are. (assuming of course that there was not a prior appointment arranged) Try having a decent conversation with your rep/senator with an emotional mom full of hysterics next to you.

 

[swinokur]

Let them do it on their own day. Or perhaps during the hearings for various bills.

Also do you not see the irony that they are using their "1A" rights to infringe or curtail your 2A rights?

They haven't tried to silence anyone I'm aware of. If they want to come and attend, I have no issues with that. You can't have it both ways.

Do you have any examples of the hysterical Moms doing what you have portrayed?

 

[501st]

They haven't tried to silence anyone I'm aware of. If they want to come and attend, I have no issues with that. You can't have it both ways.

Do you have any examples of the hysterical Moms doing what you have portrayed?

I'm speaking generally. Their efforts (covered under the 1A) are to infringe/curtail your 2A rights.

If your looking for specifics, you just need to look at their queen bee Shannon Watts and what happens around her. TTAG has documented what you just talked about in their post on her/MDA.

Edit, does banning posters who comment on MDA's facebook pages with facts that run counter to MDA's arguments count? Or even question statements/posts on their page?

 

[j_h_smith]

They don't even have to have a counter protest. They could just "show up" as bystanders or observers. Or go and visit the member of the legislature at the same time we are. (assuming of course that there was not a prior appointment arranged) Try having a decent conversation with your rep/senator with an emotional mom full of hysterics next to you.

Okay, so what do you propose then? Not have a 2A Tuesday? What, what, WHAAAAAAT?

Jim Smith

 

[swinokur]

i'm confused as well

 

[Bolts Rock]

They haven't tried to silence anyone I'm aware of. If they want to come and attend, I have no issues with that. You can't have it both ways.

Do you have any examples of the hysterical Moms doing what you have portrayed?

Post FBI-UCR data on their FB page that destroys their argument and they ban you.

 

[swinokur]

well, yeah but I am not aware of any of the hysterical outbursts ascribed to them while we visit our legislators.

sheer speculation and conjecture at this point.

 

[fabsroman]

They don't even have to have a counter protest. They could just "show up" as bystanders or observers. Or go and visit the member of the legislature at the same time we are. (assuming of course that there was not a prior appointment arranged) Try having a decent conversation with your rep/senator with an emotional mom full of hysterics next to you.

I'd be fine with the hysterical mom standing or sitting next to me. Best to show our reps just what the other side looks like, and that is hysterical.

Who cares? I would rather have 2A Tuesday for some of us to get together versus no 2A Tuesday.

The NRA isn't perfect, MSI isn't perfect, SAF isn't perfect, etc., but I would rather have something than nothing.

I am willing to bet that these hysterical moms come from communities with almost zero crime and they have no idea what it is like in the bad parts of town. They have no idea what it is like to actually need a gun in a crappy neighborhood and not be able to obtain one. They have no idea how hard it is for a poor single mother, that can only afford to live in a crappy neighborhood, that can barely afford to feed her kid(s), that needs a firearm for protection but cannot get a handgun because the training and HQL fees are un-affordable without her taking food out of her kid's mouth for 2 to 3 weeks. I want to see those hysterical mothers.

 

[Mr H]

As has been already said, the DGS will remove any counter protest as the permit holder is the only one allowed to be there.

I will remind folks...

On March 1, 2013, we posted up 4,500 people on under 2 weeks' notice for the House effort on (then) SB281. The anti 'protest' was the formal event on the Mall that day.

We were making sure our folks knew to steer clear of their activity and their 200 or so bused in people, for the very reason you mentioned.

They may have some media on their side... but we are actually getting into the halls and offices. Last I checked, the votes aren't cast on the news set.

 

[Mr H]

They don't even have to have a counter protest. They could just "show up" as bystanders or observers. Or go and visit the member of the legislature at the same time we are. (assuming of course that there was not a prior appointment arranged) Try having a decent conversation with your rep/senator with an emotional mom full of hysterics next to you.

Several things here...

"protest" is not defined... the unruly will be given the gate

we are well regarded by the staff and DGS

we behave like reasonably intelligent adults

 

[j_h_smith]

As someone has said, if there is a disruption while we have a permit to assemble, I'm sure the powers to be would escort the rabble rouser from the area.

I love using these big words.
Jim Smith

 

[swinokur]

But if they are orderly, they have as much right to be there as we do. That's all I'm saying. We may not agree on what they're saying, but we should defend their right to say it.

Anything less is hypocrisy IMO.

 

[j_h_smith]

But if they are orderly, they have as much right to be there as we do. That's all I'm saying. We may not agree on what they're saying, but we should defend their right to say it.

Anything less is hypocrisy IMO.

I don't know if they can. If they hold up signs, I believe they can be asked to leave. If they are vocal, again, I think they can be asked to leave. Once we have the permit, that place is ours. They can protest in other places, but they too have to have a permit to gather.

Help me if I'm speaking out of turn.
Jim Smith

 

[swinokur]

you may indeed be right. but if they are orderly, and perhaps wearing a sticker or something similar, I'd have no beef with it. I hope we don't designate free speech zones like some left wing colleges have tried to do for people who may hold an opposing view.

That's all I'm saying.

But IANAL

 

[Mr H]

I don't know if they can. If they hold up signs, I believe they can be asked to leave. If they are vocal, again, I think they can be asked to leave. Once we have the permit, that place is ours. They can protest in other places, but they too have to have a permit to gather.

Help me if I'm speaking out of turn.
Jim Smith

We respected their right to be there, and attended to our own business. I have little confidence they could do the same.

 

[swinokur]

I would have expected nothing less from our group.