VICTORY IN PALMER!!!!

[Mr H]

Judge Sculins order used the words loaded IIRC I don't see how if the handgun ban isn't enforceable then the mag limit would not be either.

IANAL

"Ready to use" was the wording, so yes... I would infer loaded from that.

At this point (and again, I won't be one to advocate traipsing into DC until we know more--but that's just me), I would say that prudence would dictate keeping with the 10-round limit and no extra mags.

Until someone can dissect the order (and all the related statutes), I don't think we really know. Plus, there may well be a stay coming, and I'd hate to see someone caught in-between.

 

[Inigoes]

Judge Sculins order used the words loaded IIRC I don't see how if the handgun ban isn't enforceable then the mag limit would not be either.

IANAL

Apples and oranges. At this point in time, everything is confusing.

Once the DC government gets it's footing back and they examine the ruling, the mag issue may be a fight for another day.

If someone wants to carry in DC, use a single stack gun

 

[clandestine]

I'm completely shocked they are not appealing this. I guess they are getting smart knowing that fighting itmay lead to further pro 2a rulings.

Or I'm living I'm the twilight zone...

 

[Inigoes]

I'm completely shocked they are not appealing this. I guess they are getting smart knowing that fighting itmay lead to further pro 2a rulings.

Or I'm living I'm the twilight zone...

Don't worry, They are.

Lanier doesn't want the personal liability, in the mean time.

 

[swinokur]

They may appeal. they're thinking on it. I see an appeal soon.

 

[Mr H]

They may appeal. they're thinking on it. I see an appeal soon.

Much like in Peruta, the local authority has chosen to comply with the order.

If the populace decides it's safe to proceed before there is a stay or appeal, then it's going to be really tough to unring that bell.

 

[Ragnar]

DC has a 10 round magazine limit (possession).
Don't legally carry an illegal magazine.

Also, beware of the Gun Free School Zones Act. If you carry a loaded firearm within 1000 feet of school property and don't have a carry permit issued by the state in which the school is located, you're guilty. There are schools everywhere in DC. I pass four of them on my way in every day. DC is not prohibited from enforcing the GFSZA under Saturday's order.

 

[teratos]

Fixed for Mr H.

Judge Sculins order used the words ready to use. I don't see how if the handgun ban isn't enforceable then the mag limit would not be either. Doesn't place a limit on ready to use. But

IANAL

I would think the 10 round limit could be upheld. A firearm can be ready-to-use with a 10 round or less magazine.

 

[Inigoes]

Also, beware of the Gun Free School Zones Act. If you carry a loaded firearm within 1000 feet of school property and don't have a carry permit issued by the state in which the school is located, you're guilty. There are schools everywhere in DC. I pass four of them on my way in every day. DC is not prohibited from enforcing the GFSZA under Saturday's order.

There are protections for people travelling from one destination to another.

 

[swinokur]

Also, beware of the Gun Free School Zones Act. If you carry a loaded firearm within 1000 feet of school property and don't have a carry permit issued by the state in which the school is located, you're guilty. There are schools everywhere in DC. I pass four of them on my way in every day. DC is not prohibited from enforcing the GFSZA under Saturday's order.

Gonna be difficult to comply as DC doesn't issue permits (for now). How would this be enforced since no one can yet get a permit?

 

[swinokur]

I would think the 10 round limit could be upheld. A firearm can be ready-to-use with a 10 round or less magazine.

And conversely, also ready to use with a 15 round mag yes?

 

[Mr H]

And conversely, also ready to use with a 15 round mag yes?

Until it's sorted out, why would anyone push it?

But again... that's just me...

 

[Ragnar]

There are protections for people travelling from one destination to another.

Only if the gun is unloaded and locked in a container.

 

[swinokur]

Also, beware of the Gun Free School Zones Act. If you carry a loaded firearm within 1000 feet of school property and don't have a carry permit issued by the state in which the school is located, you're guilty. There are schools everywhere in DC. I pass four of them on my way in every day. DC is not prohibited from enforcing the GFSZA under Saturday's order.

The GFSZA is a Federal statute, not DC. It would require Federal enforcement and prosecution. And according to the Internet, it is usually added as an additional charge to local charges. If DC isn't going to lock you up, I don't see this as a huge issue for the feds. I still wouldn't push any of this stuff as noted by Mr. H.

IANAL

 

[safecracker]

FWIW: I just talked to a close friend who is an MPD sergeant. His orders are 'not to arrest anyone carrying'. He says MPD is erring on the side of caution to avoid contempt charges. The entire department is in shock! Waiting on him to forward me a copy of Lanier's orders.

 

[Ragnar]

Also, I presume Lanier's order applies only to the MPDC. Do you trust that the US Park Police, US Capitol Police, Federal Protective Service, Uniformed Secret Service, WMATA Transit Police, etc., etc. are going to know not to enforce the law?

 

[Inigoes]

The entire department is in shock!

GOOD!



Anyone else find it ironnic: that marylanders can legally open carry 360 degrees around the outside of the state, no exceptions?

 

[Decoy]

Fixed for Mr H.

Judge Sculins order used the words ready to use. I don't see how if the handgun ban isn't enforceable then the mag limit would not be either. Doesn't place a limit on ready to use. But

IANAL

I could be wrong but he could be referring to the DC law that required guns to be disassembled and not ready to use.

 

[teratos]

I could be wrong but he could be referring to the DC law that required guns to be disassembled and not ready to use.

This was overturned in Heller.

 

[Decoy]

DC has a 10 round magazine limit (possession).
Don't legally carry an illegal magazine.

Unless you are David Gregory.