"Sensitive" places restrictions on wear and carry currently that should not be.

[Abuck]

I had just watched that. If “sensitive places” gets codified to just those 4 places, snowflake heads will be like the Mars Attack aliens listening to Slim Whitman's “Indian Love Call”.

 

[cyberalex]

Are you sure? How is this possible? The statue specifically says "public".

Even then, private schools can still prohibit guns, even for teachers and staff because it's private property. That's how I understand it.

 

[gungate]

Even then, private schools can still prohibit guns, even for teachers and staff because it's private property. That's how I understand it.

For most places though all they can do is ask you to leave and perhaps have you trespassed.

 

[OldBrokenGrunt]

I have to agree that none of these states want anything going back to the SCOTUS because they know there is a good chance that their next ruling decides to get into the weeds and start dictating what 2A means. And we all know that these bunch of unamerican liberals are afraid of that. I give it a few cases going to lower courts here in MD and decisions in favor of our 2A rights being made and suddenly a lot of their unconstitutional laws and regulations are gonna go away.

I mean let’s face it, how many constitutional carry states have people carrying weapons all over without incident?

 

[Abuck]

Even then, private schools can still prohibit guns, even for teachers and staff because it's private property. That's how I understand it.

Similar to casinos here in PA. The state tried banning casino carry, but lacked the ability, and that was reversed. Now, most casinos do ban weapons, but it’s not illegal. Trespass laws then come in to play if you are discovered to be carrying. They have to bar entry, or ask you to leave if discovered. Some use detectors or scanners, some don’t. Some states allow signage to carry weight of law, others don’t.

 

[Tequila58]

Currently we cant carry in state parks, state forests, state rest stops , inns, ect.

When will there be changes?

When the politicians grow a brain. State police can’t be everywhere to protect everyone. Law abiding citizens should be afforded the right of self protection.

 

[Biggfoot44]

For most places though all they can do is ask you to leave and perhaps have you trespassed.

An establishment such as a school can have clout with students , employees , and contractors . ie , you're expelled & transcripts withheld , you're fired , and your contract is canceled , per weasle clause .

 

[cyberalex]

Similar to casinos here in PA. The state tried banning casino carry, but lacked the ability, and that was reversed. Now, most casinos do ban weapons, but it’s not illegal. Trespass laws then come in to play if you are discovered to be carrying. They have to bar entry, or ask you to leave if discovered. Some use detectors or scanners, some don’t. Some states allow signage to carry weight of law, others don’t.

Both you and gungate mentioned trespassing, which I do know comes into play for those found to be carrying a weapon in prohibited places.

 

[swinokur]

If asked to leave and you comply you are guilty of nothing in MD


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[Abuck]

Both you and gungate mentioned trespassing, which I do know comes into play for those found to be carrying a weapon in prohibited places.

As mentioned in this post #31

Private property with weapon screening

Meaning no disrespect to our membership, but can we limit this thread to actual experiences and not musings on what should and should not be areas where carrying is prohibited? Was wondering how long before it went off rails...

www.mdshooters.com

Pa. ban on guns in casinos axed

A state regulation banning guns in Pennsylvania casinos was stricken from the books Thursday, but individual gambling establishments will still have the discretion to prohibit firearms on their pro…

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I would rather be armed, and discovered, where not statutorily prohibited, than be disarmed in the areas many of those establishments are located. I’ve been in many front concert rows, and sat aside of, or been with several celebrities, knowing full well they might despise the fact of my being armed, but also thankful of any secondary protection that afforded them if that time ever arose. This, after passing security performed by on and/or off duty LEO. So in reality, security that wasn’t secure at all.

If found out, I would leave, as required, if requested. But that has not happened. No laws broken.

 

[1841DNG]

Not with out being able to carry in state parks, Maryland National parks are off limits.

If you able to carry in the state you are in state parks you can carry in National parks.

I believe you. From my experience the official policy is that you can't bring anything into their buildings unless it is relevant to their historic programming with permission and checks. No gun signs on the buildings and that "Visitors may possess and carry firearms within in accordance with federal, state, and local laws." However I am pretty sure that I have heard in the past from staff at some places that it is okay out on the grounds. I suspect that they are probably wrong and have not been in Maryland long. I'd ask the chief LEO of a park in an anti-2A state. Some is going to get in trouble eventually as it is somewhat ambiguous and I can easily see people confused.

 

[swinokur]

Federal law follows the law of the state the park is in.

Maryland allows carry with a permit, therefore legal in National Parks like the C & O Canal

Only prohibition is inside bldgs. where Park employees are present like visitor centers or snack bars and must be posted

Changed with the Credit Card Act of 2009 signed by Obama


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[Abuck]

Federal law follows the law of the state the park is in.

Maryland allows carry with a permit, therefore legal in National Parks like the C & O Canal

Only prohibition is inside bldgs. where Park employees are present like visitor centers or snack bars and must be posted

Changed with the Credit Card Act of 2009 signed by Obama


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Don’t forget that MD allows long gun open carry for self defense, without a permit. After the CC bill, I had a long, long conversation with the NPS LEO Chief about this. He admitted that he and his officers were aware of this. And that while you might get some attention on their territory down by the DC area, it was legal. I’m more concerned about western MD around the canal. So now my long gun carry transitions from hunting, to self defense, and back again, in a very short area.
I don’t want to be a test case. But it’s legal according to the ones actually enforcing the laws.

 

[1841DNG]

Federal law follows the law of the state the park is in.

Maryland allows carry with a permit, therefore legal in National Parks like the C & O Canal

Only prohibition is inside bldgs. where Park employees are present like visitor centers or snack bars and must be posted

Changed with the Credit Card Act of 2009 signed by Obama


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That is how I always interpreted it until "corrected" but I am not a lawyer. I hope that I am being corrected again right now. I've heard different things from different people at parks.

 

[LoneWolf123]

When is MSI going to sue the state over the parks thing? I would assume if we can get it knocked down at the state level we can be safe to carry at county parks that ban it.

Does anyone know for a fact anyone is looking or actively attempting to sue the state over it.

 

[Phoenix_1295]

Federal law follows the law of the state the park is in.

Maryland allows carry with a permit, therefore legal in National Parks like the C & O Canal

Only prohibition is inside bldgs. where Park employees are present like visitor centers or snack bars and must be posted

Changed with the Credit Card Act of 2009 signed by Obama

This is supported by info on NPS site.

“In areas administered by the National Park Service, an individual can possess a firearm if that individual is not otherwise prohibited by law from possessing the firearm and if the possession of the firearm complies with the laws of the state where the park area is located. 54 U.S.C. 104906.”

The reference is to being authorized to carry in the bounding state, in general, not whether the bounding state allows carry in State parks.

Firearms in National Parks (U.S. National Park Service)

Details about the carry and use of Firearms in National Parks.

www.nps.gov

IANAL

 

[Biggfoot44]

When is MSI going to sue the state over the parks thing? I would assume if we can get it knocked down at the state level we can be safe to carry at county parks that ban it.

Does anyone know for a fact anyone is looking or actively attempting to sue the state over it.

As has been explained in the thread discussing WMAs , Maryland does not ban carry in Parks generally
. It is specifically regulated in lands owned/ controlled by the DNR specifically . Not County or local parks , or Federal Parks .

 

[LoneWolf123]

As has been explained in the thread discussing WMAs , Maryland does not ban carry in Parks generally
. It is specifically regulated in lands owned/ controlled by the DNR specifically . Not County or local parks , or Federal Parks .

If by law or by regulation of a state entity, it’s still the state. Ok.. you want to be real technical. You would sue the DNR. Got it. Not the point I was making. The state AG would still be the one representing the DNR in court.



You go to court and show COMAR….. is unconstitutional. What comes from that is parks can’t be deemed sensitive places. From that you can go after the county/city owned parks easier or just carry in them and the county/city can enforce their code/ordinance anymore.

 

[LoneWolf123]

 

[gungate]

Sweeet! So when is the being challenged in MD?