Where is Hogan on G&S reform????

Mark75H · Oct 3, 2015

Mr H said:
He overestimated the will for gun control in Congress.

Hold no illusions that the GA won't keep trying (though some are softening).

Federally it has to be part of some greater D plan in the coming election. Anyone in middle school or beyond knows there is no way he can get Federal gun restrictions thru the current Congress; I don't think there is any overestimation.

Their new buzzwords are "gun safety" and "sensible gun safety". I think we can bet on hearing those words in the coming GA session.

DC-W · Oct 3, 2015

Alutacon said:
Why a problem against Obama relative to gun control??? Outside of every gun owner's insistence that he would take your guns away, he has, in fact, done absolutely nothing in his presidency to take actions against gun ownership. He's only just started spewing anti-gun rhetoric, with which I disagree, but even he says he can't and isn't going to do anything.

I call BS.

His pushing and support of anti-gun legislation in congress, direction of the ATF, and EPA all say otherwise.

Congress never sent him a bill in regards to gun control, but you can damn well bet he'd sign it.

swinokur · Oct 3, 2015

And F & F was rogue ATF agents.

:sarcasm:

Schipperke · Oct 3, 2015

Alutacon said:
Why a problem against Obama relative to gun control??? Outside of every gun owner's insistence that he would take your guns away, he has, in fact, done absolutely nothing in his presidency to take actions against gun ownership. He's only just started spewing anti-gun rhetoric, with which I disagree, but even he says he can't and isn't going to do anything.

Yep, he seemed to be on stage #5 of grief, acceptance. It will fall in Hillary's lap. Just keep both houses, and no problem.. maybe.

BeoBill · Oct 3, 2015

Mark75H said:
Their new buzzwords are "gun safety" and "sensible gun safety". I think we can bet on hearing those words in the coming GA session.

And I can guarantee that once again nobody will know what those words mean. Another serving of Empty Rhetoric please.

Abacab · Oct 4, 2015

Alutacon said:
Why a problem against Obama relative to gun control??? Outside of every gun owner's insistence that he would take your guns away, he has, in fact, done absolutely nothing in his presidency to take actions against gun ownership. He's only just started spewing anti-gun rhetoric, with which I disagree, but even he says he can't and isn't going to do anything.

Just started? Are you an Obama voter?

Biggfoot44 · Oct 4, 2015

Ok , I'm a page or two behind.

The big factor in family size is taxes. Comparing to the late 1940' , adjusting for inflation , the first 60K or so of today's $ would have been tax free for a family of 4 . With net income being very close to gross income it wasn't very hard for one breadwinner to comfortably support a family. Rising tax rates & bracket creep closely follows the increase in two earner families in order to remain vaguely middle class. Paying for child care raises the marginal costs for additional children.

"Back in the day" , the more unpaid farmworkers the better. In modern day , for those primarily dempending on gov't benefits , more kids > more benefits.

GryphonII · Oct 4, 2015

Biggfoot44 said:
. . . In modern day, for those primarily depending on gov't benefits, more kids = more benefits.

Exactly. Instead of promoting responsibility and self-control (which most of the middle class has done on its own over the years) the government subsidizes and encourages the problem, all while promising it will somehow propel the beneficiaries into better economic conditions, but all the subsidies really do is guarantee most of the beneficiaries will remain where they are forever.

Muleskinner · Oct 4, 2015

GryphonII said:
Exactly. Instead of promoting responsibility and self-control (which most of the middle class has done on its own over the years) the government subsidizes and encourages the problem, all while promising it will somehow propel the beneficiaries into better economic conditions, but all the subsidies really do is guarantee most of the beneficiaries will remain where they are forever.

It's a simple matter of remaining in power. Social programs (which are now know as entitlements) are nothing more than vote buying. it's done mostly by the democrats. Welfare of all types is one form, but it's also done in the name of "social justice" like bowing to special interests...LGBT, militant Environmentalists and anti gun groups to name a few..

This is why no one should ever trust a democrat...ANY democrat...regardless of what they claim to support. If a democrat claims to support conservative principals (such as 2A issues) they are either a liar and have their own "agenda" or they aren't smart enough to figure out that the democrats of the 21st century are not the same people as the democrat part of 30 years ago...either way they are not to be trusted..

redeemed.man · Oct 4, 2015

GryphonII said:
Exactly. Instead of promoting responsibility and self-control (which most of the middle class has done on its own over the years) the government subsidizes and encourages the problem, all while promising it will somehow propel the beneficiaries into better economic conditions, but all the subsidies really do is guarantee most of the beneficiaries will remain where they are forever.

Welcome back brother. I hope you can recover your old account.

DC-W · Oct 5, 2015

The Sun's reporting that Hogan's favorability is increasing steadily, according to Goucher College.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/ma...arity-increases-poll-says-20151005-story.html

Gov. Larry Hogan enjoys growing popularity in Maryland as more residents make up their mind about the new Republican governor, a new Goucher College poll found.

The poll released Monday found 54 percent of those surveyed felt favorably about Hogan, a whopping 21 point increase from when the college conducted its previous poll in February.

The strong favorability rating in a state where Democrats outnumber Republicans 2 to 1 means the governor has considerable support from voters outside his own party. More than half of the Democrats surveyed said they approved of the job Hogan was doing. Among Republicans, 80 percent did.

Boondock Saint · Oct 5, 2015

DC-W said:
The Sun's reporting that Hogan's favorability is increasing steadily, according to Goucher College.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/ma...arity-increases-poll-says-20151005-story.html

How many Republicans in that survey?

"Over half" of Democrats surveyed approve, while 80% of Republicans approve. Strikes me as a biased polling sample.

LoneRanger · Oct 5, 2015

DC-W said:
The Sun's reporting that Hogan's favorability is increasing steadily, according to Goucher College.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/ma...arity-increases-poll-says-20151005-story.html

And how quickly do you think that would change if he made self defense as the only G&S needed to get a carry permit?

The upcoming legislative session should be quite interesting.

DC-W · Oct 5, 2015

Boondock Saint said:
How many Republicans in that survey?

"Over half" of Democrats surveyed approve, while 80% of Republicans approve. Strikes me as a biased polling sample.

http://www.goucher.edu/Documents/Poli_Sci/hughes/Fall 2015 Goucher Poll Release (Monday) FINAL.pdf

Says there that 529 of those polled were registered voters.
Of those, 52% were Dems and 25% were Reps.
Therefore, that should be 275 Dems to 132 Reps.

PJDiesel · Oct 5, 2015

LoneRanger said:
And how quickly do you think that would change if he made self defense as the only G&S needed to get a carry permit?

The upcoming legislative session should be quite interesting.

It would sure get me off the fence about him. Me, and every other person I know that isn't all that impressed with the inaction so far.

Others on the other side of the fence? They'd never know the difference until they heard about it at a BBQ next summer. Much like people don't realize just how hard it is to get a CCW in MD (new people moving in, etc.)

A change such as making regular old self defense "G&S" would go very largely unnoticed by the masses.

LoneRanger · Oct 5, 2015

PJDiesel said:
It would sure get me off the fence about him. Me, and every other person I know that isn't all that impressed with the inaction so far.

Others on the other side of the fence? They'd never know the difference until they heard about it at a BBQ next summer. Much like people don't realize just how hard it is to get a CCW in MD (new people moving in, etc.)

A change such as making regular old self defense "G&S" would go very largely unnoticed by the masses.

But assuredly would not go unnoticed by the AG's office and his minions that still reside in the MGA...

Boondock Saint · Oct 5, 2015

DC-W said:
http://www.goucher.edu/Documents/Poli_Sci/hughes/Fall 2015 Goucher Poll Release (Monday) FINAL.pdf

Says there that 529 of those polled were registered voters.
Of those, 52% were Dems and 25% were Reps.
Therefore, that should be 275 Dems to 132 Reps.

Ah. Forgot about Independents. Polling sample appears quite valid, then. Apologies to the good folks at Goucher.

moojersey · Oct 5, 2015

Schipperke said:
I believe 2A rights have hit the best they will be "publicly and legislatively" , so in those two areas, worse is now the only direction.

I dunno... I think nationally they continue to get better. In the last year or so we have actually added a constitutional carry state (maybe 2?). It is only in the very liberal hold out areas that things can't get moving.

LoneRanger said:
And how quickly do you think that would change if he made self defense as the only G&S needed to get a carry permit? The upcoming legislative session should be quite interesting.

I don't think gun rights are really that much of a hotbed issue for the average person in Maryland. I think taxes, economy, environmental, and educational issues seem to be up at the top. Honestly if he did it, I don't think the average joe would really notice or care (save for us). Obviously the AG and MGA would go all hell on wheels and such...save the children etc.

Schipperke · Oct 5, 2015

PJDiesel said:
It would sure get me off the fence about him. Me, and every other person I know that isn't all that impressed with the inaction so far.

Others on the other side of the fence? They'd never know the difference until they heard about it at a BBQ next summer. Much like people don't realize just how hard it is to get a CCW in MD (new people moving in, etc.)

A change such as making regular old self defense "G&S" would go very largely unnoticed by the masses.

That has always been my reckoning, but unfortunately then remember the bias in the media would make it a three ring circus.

dblas · Oct 5, 2015

LoneRanger said:
And how quickly do you think that would change if he made self defense as the only G&S needed to get a carry permit?

The upcoming legislative session should be quite interesting.

Self Defense is already a G&S (Personal Protection).

Where is Hogan on G&S reform????

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