Is the HQL still required to purchase handguns?

[crabjoe]

HQL training - gone
Finger print requirement - Gone
HQL application - Gone

It's ALL gone, it really is that simple.

If it falls back to before HQL, will the video return?

 

[Mark75H]

If it falls back to before HQL, will the video return?

Not if it was struck from the law by previous act of GA

 

[Magerko]

Oh, how I long for the good ole' days, lol.

About 17 years or so ago, my son graduated from college and was entering the police academy. I decided to buy him a Glock .40 as a gift. I went into a local gun shop, found a preowned Glock I liked (the slide was engraved with "Property of San Antonio Police Dept"), asked the price, paid the guy, the guy handed me the gun and I was out the door in probably about 45 minutes or less.

No background checks, no fingerprints, no answering a never-ending list of questions. I just picked the gun I wanted, paid for the gun, and that was that, just like going to the grocery store.

But to buy a gun for myself, I had to get the HQL, so had to pay the fee, filled out the application and answered a litany of questions (No I don't beat puppies, don't do drugs, don't drink to excess, don't have mental issues, nada). got fingerprints, went through the 4-hour training, fired 1 round, waited for my background check to be completed, and about 30 days or so later, I got my email from the MSP. No spiffy card I could carry in my wallet, just an email saying I was good to go.

OK, so now I got the HQL and it's time to buy a new gun. So, I filled out the 77R and answered all the same questions that I just answered on my HQL application (No, I don't beat puppies, don't do drugs, don't drink to excess, don't have mental issues, and so on. Waited 7 days and received my email from MSP saying I was good to go and got my pin number. BTW, every approval email that I've received from the MSP, whether for my HQL, 77R, or CCW, all seemed to arrive exactly at 6am in the morning.

OK, Now I have my HQL, got my pistol, answered a ton of the same questions twice, paid my HQL fee, did the training, got fingerprints (cost $), passed background check #1, so then it was onto getting my CCW. Once again, had to pay the fee, had to do fingerprints all over again, 2 sets if I recall so 2x the charge, then had to fill out the same questionnaire that I filled out when getting my HQL and on the 77R (Honest to God, I swear that I don't beat puppies, don't drink to excess, don't do drugs, don't have mental issues, or any of the litany of questions that I've already answered twice before). Had to do another background check, #2, and about 60 days later, received an email from the MSP saying Congratulations, I was Not Disapproved. But this time, I did get a spiffy card with my pic to carry in my wallet, lol.

BTW, I didn't have to take the 16-hour training to get my CCW, as I qualified for a Veteran's training exemption, so that allowed me to apply for my CCW right away rather than having to wait until after booking and attending the 16-hour training. But, while waiting on my CCW, I decided to go ahead and take the 16-hour training anyway, as I wanted to know the laws, rules, where I could and couldn't carry, and basically what I would be up against when carrying. Plus, I wanted to shoot and pass the live fire qualification.

So, my Vet status allowed me to speed up the submittal process, but I didn't want to be out there carrying blind, so I bit the bullet and took the training anyway. I don't recall having the same exemption option with the HQL 4-hour training.

 

[rbird7282]

I'm going to disagree. IMHO, HQL training was bogus. Did it really do anything more than the video one used to have to watch to get that permit to be able purchase a handgun? I don't think so. It's more BS to deter people from exercising their rights.

If the DNC or anyone wants to push gun control, they're barking up the wrong tree because criminals don't care about laws. So they can go kick rocks! If by gun control, they mean gun safety, then the State should offer free voluntary classes. Maybe sweeten the pot by saying if you take our free class and pass, the 7 day wait on the 77r won't be required.

By gun control, they mean disarm the law abiding, not the criminals. They want everyone disarmed but government. None of this is about safety, it never has been. They understand it will only affect the law abiding.

 

[Cool_Moo5e]

Oh, how I long for the good ole' days, lol.

About 17 years or so ago, my son graduated from college and was entering the police academy. I decided to buy him a Glock .40 as a gift. I went into a local gun shop, found a preowned Glock I liked (the slide was engraved with "Property of San Antonio Police Dept"), asked the price, paid the guy, the guy handed me the gun and I was out the door in probably about 45 minutes or less.

No background checks, no fingerprints, no answering a never-ending list of questions. I just picked the gun I wanted, paid for the gun, and that was that, just like going to the grocery store.

But to buy a gun for myself, I had to get the HQL, so had to pay the fee, filled out the application and answered a litany of questions (No I don't beat puppies, don't do drugs, don't drink to excess, don't have mental issues, nada). got fingerprints, went through the 4-hour training, fired 1 round, waited for my background check to be completed, and about 30 days or so later, I got my email from the MSP. No spiffy card I could carry in my wallet, just an email saying I was good to go.

OK, so now I got the HQL and it's time to buy a new gun. So, I filled out the 77R and answered all the same questions that I just answered on my HQL application (No, I don't beat puppies, don't do drugs, don't drink to excess, don't have mental issues, and so on. Waited 7 days and received my email from MSP saying I was good to go and got my pin number. BTW, every approval email that I've received from the MSP, whether for my HQL, 77R, or CCW, all seemed to arrive exactly at 6am in the morning.

OK, Now I have my HQL, got my pistol, answered a ton of the same questions twice, paid my HQL fee, did the training, got fingerprints (cost $), passed background check #1, so then it was onto getting my CCW. Once again, had to pay the fee, had to do fingerprints all over again, 2 sets if I recall so 2x the charge, then had to fill out the same questionnaire that I filled out when getting my HQL and on the 77R (Honest to God, I swear that I don't beat puppies, don't drink to excess, don't do drugs, don't have mental issues, or any of the litany of questions that I've already answered twice before). Had to do another background check, #2, and about 60 days later, received an email from the MSP saying Congratulations, I was Not Disapproved. But this time, I did get a spiffy card with my pic to carry in my wallet, lol.

BTW, I didn't have to take the 16-hour training to get my CCW, as I qualified for a Veteran's training exemption, so that allowed me to apply for my CCW right away rather than having to wait until after booking and attending the 16-hour training. But, while waiting on my CCW, I decided to go ahead and take the 16-hour training anyway, as I wanted to know the laws, rules, where I could and couldn't carry, and basically what I would be up against when carrying. Plus, I wanted to shoot and pass the live fire qualification.

So, my Vet status allowed me to speed up the submittal process, but I didn't want to be out there carrying blind, so I bit the bullet and took the training anyway. I don't recall having the same exemption option with the HQL 4-hour training.

the 77R is quite redundant, isn't it? they could just submit the same stuff to the ATF for the 4473 for us or use the 4473 we filled out and it would do just as well.

 

[Biggfoot44]

It's too late now , but you didn't need to take the HQL class , you are training exempt .

It's too late now , but if you had done those in the proper sequence . the HQL would have been FREE , and you would have saved $100-125 .

 

[Magerko]

the 77R is quite redundant, isn't it? they could just submit the same stuff to the ATF for the 4473 for us or use the 4473 we filled out and it would do just as well.

Man, I'm all about following the law, even raised a police officer, but I do think a lot of this is redundant, on purpose more than likely. Like, if we get digital fingerprints for the HQL, why can't they be used for the CCW? They're digital, they don't smudge, they don't change. And why do we need 2 sets of prints for the CCW, again they're digital, can't they just make a dupe from the first set? Guess not, so I have to pay for 2 sets instead of 1, lol.

I can picture criminals laughing their asses off as they watch us law abiding citizens jump through all these hoops. And we all know that criminals don't follow the law, that's why they're criminals, so all this hoop jumping only affects the law-abiding citizens, who just happen to be the people that the State DOESN'T need to worry about.

Law abiding citizens aren't the ones committing armed robbery, carjackings, mass shootings, murder, assault, etc. It's the criminals & those with mental illness that are causing these issues and doing mass shootings, not the law-abiding citizens. So, I think it's pretty obvious that all this hoop jumping is just smoke & mirrors to give the "appearance" that the politicians are "doing something".

But IMHO, what they SHOULD be doing, is to focus on holding the criminals who are committing these crimes and mass murder accountable for their actions and get them off the streets. Don't go after the tool, go after the people who are using the tool for illegal purposes. THAT, IMO, would be "Doing Something".

 

[Biggfoot44]

ONE set of Livescan prints for W&C .

IF one was ill-advised so as to * simultaneously * apply for W&C And HQL at the same time , you would need one set for each .

Maryland sucks . Livescan uses a different Code Number for every purpose .

Say that same day you were redundancy getting two for W&C and HQL , you were also seeking your background check to be a Church Volunteer? Yup , a Third Livescan.

 

[Magerko]

It's too late now , but you didn't need to take the HQL class , you are training exempt .

It's too late now , but if you had done those in the proper sequence . the HQL would have been FREE , and you would have saved $100-125 .

Yeah, hindsight is 20/20. In retrospect, I could have just signed up for the CCW classes and HQL would have come with the deal, so could have saved a separate charge for that. But at the time, HQL, 77R, & CCW requirements were new to me, so trying to navigate the Gov't requirements & forms required were making my head hurt. Trying to navigate any Gov't forms & requirements make my head hurt.

I don't mind doing things that have a legitimate & logical reason to be done but doing things just for the sake of doing things, so that I can make someone else look like they're "doing something" just gives me a headache. So, I guess I took the bite sized approach, step by step, so I got to spread the headaches out over time, lol.

It's all water under the bridge now, and I achieved my goal and got my CCW. At least I'll be able to tell my grandkids what it was like when I had to jump through all these hoops to exercise my constitutional right. And of course, I had to walk 2 miles to get my CCW, uphill, both ways.

 

[Magerko]

ONE set of Livescan prints for W&C .

IF one was ill-advised so as to * simultaneously * apply for W&C And HQL at the same time , you would need one set for each .

Maryland sucks . Livescan uses a different Code Number for every purpose .

Say that same day you were redundancy getting two for W&C and HQL , you were also seeking your background check to be a Church Volunteer? Yup , a Third Livescan.

It was when I went to get my prints for my CCW that I had to get 2 sets of prints. I asked the fingerprint lady why do I need 2 sets? They're digital, why can't they just make a digital copy off the first set? Why do I have to pay for 2 separate sets?

She explained that there needed to be 2 separate sets, probably due to the different code numbers that you mentioned. She also took my photo and adjusted the pic to the proper size for the CCW while I was there, didn't charge me for that since she used my cell phone, lol.

To add to the fingerprint chaos, when I finished CCW training, my instructor gave me a certificate for MD & FL. He had the fingerprint lady come in to take prints right after the end of the class. But of course, I couldn't take advantage of that because FL wants ink prints on their card, taken by either a law enforcement agency, or certified fingerprint person who is able to use a Law Enforcement stamp to certify the prints. I could have had everything wrapped up right there and had my FL permit a year ago.

But my fault, due to my work schedule, life, and general procrastination, I haven't made the trip down to the UMBC police office to get the prints, just a PIA. But I want that permit so I'm gonna have to bite the bullet and take the time to go down there. I need FL to be able to carry in DE, which the wife & I love going to.

 

[Magerko]

By gun control, they mean disarm the law abiding, not the criminals. They want everyone disarmed but government. None of this is about safety, it never has been. They understand it will only affect the law abiding.

This is Truth

 

[rseymorejr]

It was when I went to get my prints for my CCW that I had to get 2 sets of prints. I asked the fingerprint lady why do I need 2 sets? They're digital, why can't they just make a digital copy off the first set? Why do I have to pay for 2 separate sets?

She explained that there needed to be 2 separate sets, probably due to the different code numbers that you mentioned. She also took my photo and adjusted the pic to the proper size for the CCW while I was there, didn't charge me for that since she used my cell phone, lol.

To add to the fingerprint chaos, when I finished CCW training, my instructor gave me a certificate for MD & FL. He had the fingerprint lady come in to take prints right after the end of the class. But of course, I couldn't take advantage of that because FL wants ink prints on their card, taken by either a law enforcement agency, or certified fingerprint person who is able to use a Law Enforcement stamp to certify the prints. I could have had everything wrapped up right there and had my FL permit a year ago.

But my fault, due to my work schedule, life, and general procrastination, I haven't made the trip down to the UMBC police office to get the prints, just a PIA. But I want that permit so I'm gonna have to bite the bullet and take the time to go down there. I need FL to be able to carry in DE, which the wife & I love going to.

If you got charged for 2 "sets" of digital fingerprints for only the W&C someone owes you a refund on one of them

 

[70Sevens]

HQL training - gone
Finger print requirement - Gone
HQL application - Gone

It's ALL gone, it really is that simple.

Awesome. Thank you. Fingers crossed then.

 

[Magerko]

If you got charged for 2 "sets" of digital fingerprints for only the W&C someone owes you a refund on one of them

I'll have to check my records to see how much I paid, but at this point, I'm not gonna sweat this one. If I got double charged and paid for 2 sets if I only needed one, I'll chalk that up as a learning experience and I'll know better next time.

 

[Defense Initiative]

I'll have to check my records to see how much I paid, but at this point, I'm not gonna sweat this one. If I got double charged and paid for 2 sets if I only needed one, I'll chalk that up as a learning experience and I'll know better next time.

I may have missed something, I understand getting the Florida permit. But didn't your instructor tell you that you were exempt from the training for the HQL and Wear and Carry training?

 

[Magerko]

I may have missed something, I understand getting the Florida permit. But didn't your instructor tell you that you were exempt from the training for the HQL and Wear and Carry training?

I didn't meet my instructor for HQL until I showed up for the HQL class, so having an exemption for that didn't matter at that point, I already paid and was there. I was made aware of my CCW training exception during the HQL training class, although if I recall, I think I already knew about the exemption for CCW training before I took the HQL training.

The instructor and I sat down after the HQL class ended and he went into the MSP portal and if I recall, I think he "certified" my HQL training, as I seem to recall him entering a number from my certificate on the portal. He then assisted me with filling out the online CCW application before I left. I then had to make a copy of my DD214, go back for more fingerprints and have a photo taken, and then went back to the MSP portal to upload all that along with the fingerprint code #'s I received.

He also reminded me that when I went to purchase my pistol, I'd need to complete the 77R and wait for the MSP to email me with approval and pin #. My Veteran training exemption allowed me to submit my CCW application right away, rather than having to wait to go through training, get and upload the training certificate, etc, so that probably saved me a couple extra weeks by not having to schedule a class & attend before I could submit my application.

After submitting my CCW application, I made the decision to take the CCW classes, as I wanted to learn what the laws were, were I could and couldn't carry, wanted to do some live fire for the range qualification portion, meet some other gun owners, and basically not be out carrying on the streets without knowing what the legal parameters were.

For me, it was a personal decision to go through the training. Although I didn't have to take the training, I don't mind learning and I wanted to know what I'd be up against, and I don't think I've ever heard anyone say "shit, I know too much", lol.

So yeah, I wasn't required to take the CCW training, but I'm not an attorney, don't play one on TV, and when it comes to trying to navigate through all these "laws", requirements, restrictions, and so on, I figured it was well worth the expense and 16 hours of my time to take the training. Your mileage may vary.

 

[Defense Initiative]

I didn't meet my instructor for HQL until I showed up for the HQL class, so having an exemption for that didn't matter at that point, I already paid and was there. I was made aware of my CCW training exception during the HQL training class, although if I recall, I think I already knew about the exemption for CCW training before I took the HQL training.

The instructor and I sat down after the HQL class ended and he went into the MSP portal and if I recall, I think he "certified" my HQL training, as I seem to recall him entering a number from my certificate on the portal. He then assisted me with filling out the online CCW application before I left. I then had to make a copy of my DD214, go back for more fingerprints and have a photo taken, and then went back to the MSP portal to upload all that along with the fingerprint code #'s I received.

He also reminded me that when I went to purchase my pistol, I'd need to complete the 77R and wait for the MSP to email me with approval and pin #. My Veteran training exemption allowed me to submit my CCW application right away, rather than having to wait to go through training, get and upload the training certificate, etc, so that probably saved me a couple extra weeks by not having to schedule a class & attend before I could submit my application.

After submitting my CCW application, I made the decision to take the CCW classes, as I wanted to learn what the laws were, were I could and couldn't carry, wanted to do some live fire for the range qualification portion, meet some other gun owners, and basically not be out carrying on the streets without knowing what the legal parameters were.

For me, it was a personal decision to go through the training. Although I didn't have to take the training, I don't mind learning and I wanted to know what I'd be up against, and I don't think I've ever heard anyone say "shit, I know too much", lol.

So yeah, I wasn't required to take the CCW training, but I'm not an attorney, don't play one on TV, and when it comes to trying to navigate through all these "laws", requirements, restrictions, and so on, I figured it was well worth the expense and 16 hours of my time to take the training. Your mileage may vary.

No, you did well by getting the training you can never know too much. Before an HQL or W&C course, I ask students if they are prior law enforcement or military; I tell them that they can stay; however, they are exempt, and if they don't want to take the course, I will refund their money.

 

[Mark75H]

I give W&C to exempt students at no cost. It's the least I can do to thank them for serving.

 

[Defense Initiative]

I give W&C to exempt students at no cost. It's the least I can do to thank them for serving.

Excellent!

 

[Magerko]

I give W&C to exempt students at no cost. It's the least I can do to thank them for serving.

Thank you for that. Some Vets may be really tight on funds, so I appreciate you giving them relief. Good on you for serving those who served.