MSP being ridiculous about my CCW app.

[montoya32]

Maybe they want the letter from your broker as proof that you actually need the CCW for the other reasons you listed on your application.

They want my broker to state that they "want" me to be armed. They are not going to get that. They didn't ask for the broker to verify the activities or dangers, just that they "want" me to be armed while working.

 

[AntiGun]

Just hold out a little longer. Hogan's second term is coming, then it will all be fixed, or so I'm told...

 

[HeatSeeker]

They want my broker to state that they "want" me to be armed. They are not going to get that. They didn't ask for the broker to verify the activities or dangers, just that they "want" me to be armed while working.

Is it possible that your broker could be liable if you shot a client while working? Is it also possible that your broker does not want you to be armed while working?

 

[rico903]

I am required to do nothing. I can sell 0 homes or 1,000 homes. I run my own business. Real estate contracts must list all entities, so all parties must be listed.

None of this has any bearing on the agree upon relationship between myself and broker.

On your HUD 1's does it state commission paid to you or to brokerage? Or is it agent/broker? I'm on your side here but just looking for a fine point MSP may pick up on.

 

[rico903]

Agreed. He is less of an employee than a Mhic licensed salesperson. Likely less an employee than a mhic subcontractor also because he is responsible for his own advertising, and probably numerous other expenses.

I would have just formed a LLC or registered a trade name but that doesn't justify the crap Tim is going through.

But they may give him a desk an co-op advertising. Just playing devils advocate. I've hard a RE license and know there are a lot of potential quirks MSP could use.

 

[redeemed.man]

But the requirements state business owner, not subcontractor. I would say a real estate agent is a sub contractor and the broker is the business owner. Before I was a registered business owner in this state, I was a licensed sub contractor. Am I correct that the checks you receive are from the broker? Do you receive checks from anyone else? If not, then you are a subcontractor. If you receive checks from a multitude of customers like your broker does, you would be a business owner.

I have subcontractors that work for me, carpet guys, Drywall guys ect, they all are licensed subcontractors, I also have licensed plumbers and electricians that do work for me, they re registered business owners. The only difference, is that the subcontractor (you) has to do work through a licensed contractor (broker) to get paid, and the plumber (broker) can do work directly for the customer because he is a business owner and licensed to do so.

I understand you are a self employed person, but it says business owner, not self employed person. That is a big difference. I am not arguing, just stating why I think there is a problem. I am all for you getting your ccw.

Your subcontractors can work for multiple GC's and may even have multiple employees. How is that not a business owner? Most licensed roofing and siding subcontractors I know of have multiple crews of 4 to 8 guys and work for several different GC's. Surely they are business owners. They cannot lawfully sell directly to a homeowner but they do serve and get paid by multiple customers (GC's). I am not sure if a Realtor is permitted to work under several brokerages so this is likely not the same thing. I know of several mhic licensed subcontractors who have carry permits and none needed a GC sponsor. Perhaps the real difference is that Tim has to have his brokerage affiliation listed on his license. A LLC or trade name registration would likely break up the need for him to rely on his Realtor license and therefore solve the issue. It still sucks that MSP has no consistency in this process. Other Realtors have not needed to provide a broker letter. This one Sgt. has decided it is required. It seems pretty clear to me that others in the licensing division consider Realtors self employed business owners. More MD B.S.

 

[redeemed.man]

Just curious? Do you have a DLLR license from the state that says your a business owner?

They exist? I have never seen one? I have held a General Contractors license and Public Adjusters license for businesses that I did not own in the past. But the DLLR and MD Ins. Admin. licenses for those businesses not owned by me showed me as the license holder for the business.

That is what makes Tim situation surprising. Technically someone could hold the brokerage license for the firm and not be the business owner yet they can sign a letter for Tim? WTF?

 

[Blaster229]

Just hold out a little longer. Hogan's second term is coming, then it will all be fixed, or so I'm told...

Really? Barely a month and you expect him to wave a magic wand?
Just can't get anything you want, can you? Terrible, lazy government co workers, terribly slow Maryland government Governor. You just have a problem with government all together.

 

[AntiGun]

Chill.
It was sarcasm carried over from another thread illustrating the absurdity of people telling each other to wait when there are people this affects now.
I'll wait just fine for the first year and so will most people. It's not like we have a choice.

As far as lazy co-workers go, I'll just say that some of them have more on their plate then they used to.
Karma is a bitch.
Especially when you tip the hand in karma's favor.

So you think I have a problem with government altogether because I demand accountability and action??
God forbid people are held to standards...

Wow that makes me a real rebel doesn't it?

 

[redeemed.man]

Really? Barely a month and you expect him to wave a magic wand?
Just can't get anything you want, can you? Terrible, lazy government co workers, terribly slow Maryland government Governor. You just have a problem with government all together.

You silly, silly government agent. You have been programmed by their electro-magnetic brain control to defend them to us mere citizens. Don't you see? LOL

 

[tridentmp30]

Every business owner I have ever met has a DLLR license

 

[csanc123]

Every business owner I have ever met has a DLLR license

Not every business requires a license...it depends on whether the field is regulated or not.

 

[protegeV]

Just hold out a little longer. Hogan's second term is coming, then it will all be fixed, or so I'm told...

 

[PJDiesel]

Every business owner I have ever met has a DLLR license

If they are a state regulated professional.

 

[Blaster229]

Should say ANGST detector.

 

[AntiGun]

Should say ANGST detector.

Angst implies a generalized dread but I can quite well articulate what bugs me.

Given I've been working 60+ hour weeks and handling a lot of other things as well, maybe I'm a bit on edge. Especially today since I just passed another night this week without sleep.

 

[Straightshooter]

Every business owner I have ever met has a DLLR license

Csanc123 is correct. I own a business and only have a Trade Name Registration. $35/5years

 

[MJD438]

Let me play devil's advocate here. I own tons of companies in the form of stocks and mutual funds. I am also self employed. What about partners in a partnership. They are essentially owners of the partnership and are self employed too. Same goes for members of an LLC or stockholders of a small S Corp or C Corp.

Is being self employed all that is necessary to receive a CCW? I thought there had to be a little more to it than just being self employed and/or the owner of a business. Had a guy at the Howard County gun show a couple years ago tell me that he got a CCW because he is self employed, but he was restricted to only being able to carry while making deposits. So, he carried a de minimis check and deposit slip around with him every time he left the house. At some point, one is playing with fire with all this and runs the risk of being prohibited for life.

As far as having an LLC or S Corp, all of us sole proprietors might be running out and creating a pass through entity if SB282 gets passed and we get a tax credit for being the owner of a pass through entity. All smoke and mirrors, but the $300 a year for LLC/S Corp would be worth it for the tax credit. I wrote Senator Bates last week about the failure to include sole proprietors in the tax credit and I have yet to hear back from her.

Lastly, and most importantly, it is my opinion that we should all be allowed to carry, because God only knows when it will be needed. However, I do not make the laws or enforce the laws.

[OT ALERT]
SB282 does not appear to have a large chance of getting anywhere. Gail has entered this bill in the past as a Delegate (HB1384-2014). SB282, despite being entered into First Reading over 20 days ago, still does not have a Fiscal/Policy Note. In looking at the Fiscal/Policy Note for HB1384-2014, I don't give SB282 a snowball's chance. HB1384-2014, per the FPN, was rated as having a -$315M impact on general fund revenues. With our overwhelming Tax & Spend Democrat MGA, this has no chance of passage, IMO.

It is scheduled for a hearing in Budget & Taxation on 10MAR2015 (House Gun Bill Day), for any business folks wanting to testify.

 

[andimorony]

One additional caveat to MJD post- fiscal notes don't come out till the week of ... And occasionally the day of the hearing

 

[redeemed.man]

Every business owner I have ever met has a DLLR license

Not every business requires a license...it depends on whether the field is regulated or not.

And DLLR is not the only regulatory agency issuing business licenses. I do not need a DLLR license for my Public Adjuster business. Those licenses (individual and firm) are issued by the MD Insurance Administration. I only have a DLLR license because I maintain my General Contractor license as a helpful but expensive credential.