Engage to sell so called "smart gun"

[hdatontodo]

Will the govt give tax credits like for alternate fuel cars?


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[mbz300sdl]

I think the point is that it is a slippery slope. If Firearm shops start to carry it will soon be required. Like borelocks and safeties

Agreed!

 

[SWO Daddy]

Possibly a tangent - what are the criteria for a gun to make the MD handgun roster? Is it codified, or a determination by the MSP? More to the point - what would prevent the MSP from making this technology a requirement for a gun to make the roster?

 

[radial]

Yeah, I love me some Engage. I've either bought or FFLed every one of my firearms through that shop. But I'm going to have to stand with my fellow shooting enthusiasts in NJ on this one. Supporting the proliferation of this "technology" by offering these guns for sale in our already hoplophobic home state, and just a stone's throw away from the place where the Nation's laws are made, isn't in the wider interests of the shooting community.

That doesn't mean I'll stop patronizing Engage or wishing them well in their struggle to create a viable business model in MD. But I don't feel good about the potential consequences for NJ or for the next dominos to fall once the antis jump on this new angle of attack on my Constitutional rights.

 

[retrorichard]

I have been going to Engage for a number of years, and they have always done right by me. In general, Andy has been a good ambassador for the firearms community based on the previous interviews he has done. He has an ar pistol on the roster... and argues for us gun owners.

I will continue patronizing engage, mostly because Andy is there and has done right by me and Maryland gun owners in the past ( in my opinion).

 

[occbrian]

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/05/robert-farago/breaking-maryland-dealer-sell-smart-gun/#comment-1743191

 

[occbrian]

Andy and engage have put their money where their mouth is so to speak in fighting all this ******** in MD. Andy has testified, donated and fought sb281 tooth and nail.

I don't think anyone can question where Andy stands on 2A. I support them.

 

[Safetech]

Lawsuit waiting to happen.

The first time one fails to fire for the authorized person, and they are injured or killed by their attacker, the manufacturer will be sued.

The first time one fires when an unauthorized pulls the trigger, and someone is injured or killed, the manufacturer will be sued.

 

[erwos]

Possibly a tangent - what are the criteria for a gun to make the MD handgun roster? Is it codified, or a determination by the MSP? More to the point - what would prevent the MSP from making this technology a requirement for a gun to make the roster?

What's stopping them right now?

At $1800, I doubt they're going to sell many of these anyways.

 

[JohnnyE]

Greetings from California. I found this story linked on our site (Calguns.net) and figured I'd see what you all thought over here.

Here in California we are on the front lines of the gun control fight. Our state legislature are very aggressive in pushing a very strict gun control agenda. Last year, we nearly had all semi-automatic center fire rifles banned from being sold in the state.

Oak Tree Gun Club here near LA was involved in some way with this Armatix gun. The reaction to this was swift and fierce. While the existence of the Armatix doesn't affect me (today), it effects millions of people in New Jersey (my home state). The law in New Jersey basically mandates that within three years, ALL new pistols for sale in the state must have this technology once any pistol with this technology becomes available for sale anywhere in the USA.

New Jersey's gun laws are draconian beyond belief. You have to get a permit to buy a pistol. That permit expires in 30 days. If you don't buy one, you have to re-apply. Each pistol has to have its own permit. Forget about ever getting a permit to carry. The Drake v Jerejian case pending in the SCOTUS is from New Jersey. Take a look at that if you want more details.

Right now, you have the ability to influence the crappy laws of New Jersey and help your fellow gun owners. You do business with Engage. You are their bread and butter.

You need to realize that we are in this together. Once your law makers see this law go into effect in Jersey, how long do you think it will be before they try and force Maryland to do the same? Or Delaware, or Pennsy, or NY or California? This isn't just New Jersey's fight.

Thanks for letting me post here. I appreciate your consideration.

The pistol exists, so that cat is out of the bag. I just look at the thin grounds ATF relied on to ban importation of 7N6 5.45 steel core ammo. It didn't take much. Regarding triggering the NJ smart gun law, we are probably arguing about a difference measured in weeks, not years. You can bet your boots that there are antis who have their FFL's who would arrange to sell one of these smart pistols just to start the three year countdown clock running. Are we going to go after our own, or are we going to keep our focus?

 

[andimorony]

Prius and smart car owners.

THIS!

 

[ibanez320dx]

Their Facebook page is blowing up right now. Many unhappy typist.

 

[mopar92]

My name is Jose. My number has 605 in it. No need to call really. Here's my opinion. You are a business. You make money. By offering goods and services for sale. For profit. If you offer more goods and services you can make more money. I have NO problem with you making money. I <3 capitalism.

 

[SWO Daddy]

What's stopping them right now?

At $1800, I doubt they're going to sell many of these anyways.

I presume they would be sued and lose badly since it would be a defacto ban which Heller gave an unequivocal answer on. OTOH, if the technology is out there, this would give the courts a reasonable cover to call it a "reasonable restriction."

Just thinking out loud...

 

[ThisGuy918]

Way to go engage, you just helped us lose ground. Based on your posts and statements it would seem you are all for gun safety and gun rights, but how can that be when you are trying to sell a .22 pistol to people who are undoubtedly going to use it for home defense. So now they will walk out of your shop feeling good about buying a gun that could cost them their life. I thought we all were suppose to look out for new shooters and teach them the ropes, not hand them a liability and send them on their way? Bad idea.

You can always tell when someone really doesn't support a right or cause because they always use the word but. "I know this will cause a law to go into effect in New Jersey, but I feel blah blah blah." Sir you have some serious moral and ethical issues. I understand you want to allow people the choice, and I applaud you for that. The real truth is that you want to make money and are willing to throw others under the bus for your own personal gain. I truly hope you are shunned for this and receive what you deserve, karma is a real mother and I think you are about to meet her.

Anyone who wants to follow Engage's lead please stand up and be counted so you can all go down together.

 

[radial]

Are we going to go after our own, or are we going to keep our focus?

I'm hopeful that our own are following this thread and thinking about the broader consequences, and will ultimately do the right thing. That's my focus.

 

[rseymorejr]

The state of Maryland should blaze the trail and equip the entire MSP with "smart" guns. How far do you think that idea would go?

 

[occbrian]

My name is Jose. My number has 605 in it. No need to call really. Here's my opinion. You are a business. You make money. By offering goods and services for sale. For profit. If you offer more goods and services you can make more money. I have NO problem with you making money. I <3 capitalism.

This.

 

[North86]

The pistol exists, so that cat is out of the bag. I just look at the thin grounds ATF relied on to ban importation of 7N6 5.45 steel core ammo. It didn't take much. Regarding triggering the NJ smart gun law, we are probably arguing about a difference measured in weeks, not years. You can bet your boots that there are antis who have their FFL's who would arrange to sell one of these smart pistols just to start the three year countdown clock running. Are we going to go after our own, or are we going to keep our focus?

You do understand that "our own" includes all of the gun owners and shooters in New Jersey right? All of the citizens there that will be deprived of their rights.

Do you know about California's Microstamp law? How about our hand gun registry? Stupid horrible laws. These take years and years to challenge in court. They are trying to run out the clock on gun owners. In the mean time, we are infringed, and your local lawmakers are inspired.

In other words, you in MD are much better off helping to fight this war on foreign soil (in this case NJ), before it gets to your own shores. You've got to see that.

 

[teratos]

I think the point is that it is a slippery slope. If Firearm shops start to carry it will soon be required. Like borelocks and safeties

It has nothing to do with whether shops carry it. They banned the most popular rifles in the while Country. They have an agenda. They will mandate smart guns if they want to. This line of thinking is just as bad as the libs. You are blaming an inanimate object for actions they have nothing to do with. My AR-15 influences me to become a mass murderer about as much as smart guns influence lawmakers to pass laws infringing on our Rights.