Yes, I hate the HQL, but do it to support MD Gun dealers

[ShallNotInfringe]

First, let me say I am not "onboard" with the HQL. I do have my HQL. I like handguns and wish to continue adding them to my collection. I do not have much of an interest in C&R handguns. I did participate in the mad rush prior to 10/1. I purchased a lifetime supply of AR15 lowers. The why should be self explanatory.

The question was more about mad rush handgun purchases...

Guess I shoulda said "onboarded" (which is what I meant), in the sense of having one.. Didn't think ANYONE here was "on board" with it, in the sense of agreeing with the requirement.

 

[Second Amendment]

No, I will not.

 

[JettaRed]

No, I will not.

As I said above, if you're not buying, you don't need one.


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[Brooklyn]

If we have less than 100k HQL issued by year end most dealers will exit the market and go to other states as intended by the legislation.


If every one of those new HQL holders showed up in Annapolis next 2a Tuesday our work would be half done.

An injection is still possible... but only a fool would run a business without a defined market.
If SNI is right about the next steps.. boycotting the HQL will hasten that plan not deter it

When you are boxed in you are boxed in..

Get the HQL or do not... leave MD or do not. But I stand by my prior prediction. Half of all FFL s will be gone by next year unless the confirmed market shows itself.

If it were me I would be gone by now... move the shop out to f state maintain a small DBA address for transfers and service that I could sever if it became non economic..

Only exceptions would be ranges training and those specialising in police sales....

The die is cast...
If the defined market falls below a certain threshold economic self interest will take over and presebation of capital is the name if the game.

 

[Uncle Duke]

Meh. No HQL here. Plenty of stuff to be had without it. Not having the HQL is my motivation to buy a second house in America and to bend heaven and earth to make it my primary residence. I'm tired of paying too many taxes in North Korea Part Deux. I'm doing everything conceivably possible to make sure I never pay one penny extra in tax revenue to MD, even if it costs me more money. Matter of principle. MD can bite it.

Privileges are licensed. Rights are not.

My sentiments exactly! No Maryland Handgun Qualification License for me.

My stance is that I'm already qualified, both by American birth and in practice.

 

[Engine4]

Not for me. I'm still on the side of our esteemed Esqappellate, who advised all of us not to get the HQL. I stocked up before the defacto ban, thus supporting my local IPs. Now I am concentrating on non handgun purchases (ammo & longguns).

 

[nedsurf]

Sorry. I am on the side of refusing to get a license for a civil right. I stocked up on what I could before 10/1 and am still reeling from the spending spree. I have my plans on legally bypassing the HQL should it not go away. I am supporting the local gun shops with other purchases and services. BTW, I believe that services are not taxed therefore gunsmithing work does not line the coffers of the state.

 

[Whitty Whit]

I bought enough stuff before the ban to equate to 3-5 years of spending. With all the money these guys made in the mad rush, they should be able to weather the storm until this all gets taken to court in Feb.

Amen

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[Brooklyn]

Amen

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Why would they do that?..

If the laws get worse is it not best to take the money and run...

Your principles will not feed their kids.

Smart play is to move on and use the revenue as a bridge. . To a new business a new state or even retirement.

Business is about the future not the past.

By announcing you rejection of the HQL you are telling FFL that even if the court kills fingerprints knock the fee down to 10 $ and limits the state to a 24 hr approval window... you are still out of the market.

Next year if the court uphold such a Lic ( not imposible for the first rounds) it will be extended to all firearms...

I would not risk my financial future on such a gamble..

We really are our own worst enemy here...

Maybe we deserve it.

Guess what FFLs will do if we come in light on 4 Feb...

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Without a defined market FFL will have to move on...

 

[ShallNotInfringe]

Why would they do that?..

If the laws get worse is it not best to take the money and run...

Your principles will not feed their kids.

Smart play is to move on and use the revenue as a bridge. . To a new business a new state or even retirement.

Business is about the future not the past.

By announcing you rejection of the HQL you are telling FFL that even if the court kills fingerprints knock the fee down to 10 $ and limits the state to a 24 hr approval window... you are still out of the market.

Next year if the court uphold such a Lic ( not imposible for the first rounds) it will be extended to all firearms...

I would not risk my financial future on such a gamble..

We really are our own worst enemy here...

Maybe we deserve it.

Guess what FFLs will do if we come in light on 4 Feb...

..

Without a defined market FFL will have to move on...

Handguns are but a portion of the market.

 

[2AHokie]

I'm (almost certainly) never going to do it.

There are non-handgun purchases I intend to make to support dealers, but I will never get a HQL unless MD becomes shall issue.

 

[Brooklyn]

Handguns are but a portion of the market.

Yes the most profitable part.

The part that pays the bills.

The part of the market that is growing... unlike hunting...

The part that city folks are a part of..

....

Meanwhile in time it will become a fire arm owners Id just like NJ or worse NY.

But only if mom thinks it will achieve a deacto ban...

That's his goal.. if we can show that its too onerous we win. But if they can show no one is applying they win..

This is what happened in NY.

The fact that we jump though hoops does not change the fact that it is onerous...

The litigation in CA and NY show that...

Now if an FFL believe that the court may take 3 year to rule and that they will bless a watered down HQL they decided to cut their loses.

Now if the HQL costs $10 does not need fingerprints and is approved in 24 hours... would you do it?

If not would you do it if it was expanded to include all guns. Or posestion as well as sale.? What if you ended it for posession of ammo.

Mom will extend it as far as needed. To achieve a defacto ban. When we tell him we will refuse... he knows that he can get a defacto ban..

This is what a happend in NY. And in new york is worse that you can imagine.

Lic will likely fail SC but it can survive in modified form IS.

Understand I want SC ... I still think its possible... but I would not bet my financial future on it..

The smart money is hedging bets even now..

So we can wait for the court... but we must be willing to know how to adapt improvise and overcome... someday we may get SC we Ned to survive to see that day.

NY was all pre heller... our odds are better..
A Lic that does not encumber a right is better than a self imposed defacto ban... there are very few FFl in NYC and only one in DC and inventory is almost non existent...

This can happen here if we let it.

 

[GUNFUN]

Sadly, it doesn't matter how many people show up. Just buy what you can now.

 

[mtel]

Handguns are but a portion of the market.

Brooklyn still has a pretty valid point though.

As a business you’re always reading the tea leaves. Looking at the past 100 years of MD gun legislation (and if it were my capital and debt service at risk) I’d probably assume the trend towards further restriction will eventually continue.

I wouldn't look at tepid HQL signup as a turning point but I'd have to take it into consideration as part of a broader trend. It’d be tempted to take the windfall and leverage myself into a better market.

 

[scribe556]

I only buy girlfriends from local dealers now. Foreign ones are too much trouble.



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That's terrific...

 

[ShallNotInfringe]

Brooklyn still has a pretty valid point though.

As a business you’re always reading the tea leaves. Looking at the past 100 years of MD gun legislation (and if it were my capital and debt service at risk) I’d probably assume the trend towards further restriction will eventually continue.

I wouldn't look at tepid HQL signup as a turning point but I'd have to take it into consideration as part of a broader trend. It’d be tempted to take the windfall and leverage myself into a better market.

Agree in the long term (if the FSA sticks). There is still a market here. And people getting in will get the HQL.

Am not an FFL, but if I was here!'s how I mighta looked at things from a business plan for 2013/2014. . Sell as many as possible this year through October, buffer expenses to hold me, realign my business plan (stock different products, uppers, parts, rifles not banned), offer services (printing. , training,etc.) and look at options to expand operations in adjacent states and/or Internet sales, while I see if the lawsuits gain traction.

 

[Whitty Whit]

Why would they do that?..

If the laws get worse is it not best to take the money and run...

Your principles will not feed their kids.

Smart play is to move on and use the revenue as a bridge. . To a new business a new state or even retirement.

Business is about the future not the past.

By announcing you rejection of the HQL you are telling FFL that even if the court kills fingerprints knock the fee down to 10 $ and limits the state to a 24 hr approval window... you are still out of the market.

Next year if the court uphold such a Lic ( not imposible for the first rounds) it will be extended to all firearms...

I would not risk my financial future on such a gamble..

We really are our own worst enemy here...

Maybe we deserve it.

Guess what FFLs will do if we come in light on 4 Feb...

..

Without a defined market FFL will have to move on...

I bought 6 guns in 5 months so I don't feel too bad.

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[mike_in_md]

I'm not getting a HQL. I will help fight to repeal the law and fight for the 2nd amendment.

 

[Second Amendment]

As I said above, if you're not buying, you don't need one.


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I don't know what need has to do with it. I will not subject myself to a process that I'll feel dirty about doing.

 

[Mooseman]

I don't know what need has to do with it. I will not subject myself to a process that I'll feel dirty about doing.

I feel pretty dirty about having a rectal exam, but the doctor says I need one.