Thinking about a 10mm pistol. What are your favorites?

[LAC_MD]

IDK how many 1911 format pistols are in caliber 10mm, but that's where I would start.

Y deal with the smaller frame, external hammer and limited capacity?

 

[John from MD]

Y deal with the smaller frame, external hammer and limited capacity?

Not to mention getting the safety off while the bear is about to eat you.

 

[calicojack]

Not to mention getting the safety off while the bear is about to eat you.

How many shots are you going to get at a charging bear? About a 1911s worth.

 

[LAC_MD]

How many shots are you going to get at a charging bear? About a 1911s worth.

About a g20 standard mag worth…

 

[CameraGuy]

How many shots are you going to get at a charging bear? About a 1911s worth.

As many as it takes for it to turn around and leave, or stop breathing.

 

[Bullfrog]

As many as it takes for it to turn around and leave, or stop breathing.

I don't think you understood his point. You are not going to be the one deciding how many rounds you will be able to shoot.

This guy had an estimated 3 seconds. It wasn't enough.

How Much Time Does a Hunter Have to Draw and Fire on a Charging… | Grand View Outdoors

A Wyoming elk hunter who was killed by a charging grizzly bear likely had 3 seconds or less to react before taking the grizzly's first hit.

www.grandviewoutdoors.com

We also know based on the typical speed of grizzlies at short distances, the sow could have covered 50 yards in 3 seconds, running at a rate of approximately 40 mph.



His point is that given the amount of time you have from when the bear starts charging until it is on you, it won't matter if you have 8+1 in a P220 or 1911, or you have 15+1 in a Glock 20... you probably won't have time to run either one empty before you either stopped it, or it stopped you.

 

[LAC_MD]

I don't think you understood his point. You are not going to be the one deciding how many rounds you will be able to shoot.

This guy had an estimated 3 seconds. It wasn't enough.

How Much Time Does a Hunter Have to Draw and Fire on a Charging… | Grand View Outdoors

A Wyoming elk hunter who was killed by a charging grizzly bear likely had 3 seconds or less to react before taking the grizzly's first hit.

www.grandviewoutdoors.com

We also know based on the typical speed of grizzlies at short distances, the sow could have covered 50 yards in 3 seconds, running at a rate of approximately 40 mph.



His point is that given the amount of time you have from when the bear starts charging until it is on you, it won't matter if you have 8+1 in a P220 or 1911, or you have 15+1 in a Glock 20... you probably won't have time to run either one empty before you either stopped it, or it stopped you.

It also says the victim was able to discharge bear spray after the initial attack so one can assume he could have still fired a handgun… there is virtually no benefit to having 8+1 vs 15+1… my point is I would rather have the extra ammo than not

 

[CameraGuy]

I don't think you understood his point. You are not going to be the one deciding how many rounds you will be able to shoot.

This guy had an estimated 3 seconds. It wasn't enough.

How Much Time Does a Hunter Have to Draw and Fire on a Charging… | Grand View Outdoors

A Wyoming elk hunter who was killed by a charging grizzly bear likely had 3 seconds or less to react before taking the grizzly's first hit.

www.grandviewoutdoors.com

We also know based on the typical speed of grizzlies at short distances, the sow could have covered 50 yards in 3 seconds, running at a rate of approximately 40 mph.



His point is that given the amount of time you have from when the bear starts charging until it is on you, it won't matter if you have 8+1 in a P220 or 1911, or you have 15+1 in a Glock 20... you probably won't have time to run either one empty before you either stopped it, or it stopped you.

I understood what they meant, but you did not understand what I meant. I am fully aware that I may not be able to get off a single shot, let alone multiple, but if I can, I will fire as many as it takes and still have plenty left for any other threats after. Who’s to say that grizzly is the only animal that’s putting my life in danger that day? You might see more bear, or wolves, or mountain lion, etc.

 

[SkiPatrolDude]

My presumption is that most people purchase a 10mm for big-critter protection. With that in mind, Glock 20 is the only viable option in my opinion. The new P320 Xten has had issues and so have most of the other platforms.

If I was going for a fancy 10mm I would without a doubt pickup a Dan Wesson Specialist in said caliber.

 

[Bullfrog]

It also says the victim was able to discharge bear spray after the initial attack so one can assume he could have still fired a handgun… there is virtually no benefit to having 8+1 vs 15+1… my point is I would rather have the extra ammo than not

If you read carefully, there are two of them. The bear initially attacked the guide, left him and went for the hunter (maybe the guide played dead?)

When the bear went for the hunter the guide deliberately distracted him and brought his attention back.

So there were opportunities in there to use the spray (or possibly dump a full mag?) because of the bear moving back and forth.

In most cases, there probably won't be time. Due to the "50 yards in 3 seconds".

 

[Bullfrog]

I understood what they meant, but you did not understand what I meant. I am fully aware that I may not be able to get off a single shot, let alone multiple, but if I can, I will fire as many as it takes and still have plenty left for any other threats after.

A better argument in your favor, is if you are not alone. If a bear charges you, you may get only 3 seconds, but if he charges someone else, you will have more time.

So whatever you carry, make sure the other guy has 15 rounds.

Who’s to say that grizzly is the only animal that’s putting my life in danger that day? You might see more bear, or wolves, or mountain lion, etc.

You could easily carry more magazines for that possibility, regardless of round count.

 

[Mark75H]

My presumption is that most people purchase a 10mm for big-critter protection. With that in mind, Glock 20 is the only viable option in my opinion. The new P320 Xten has had issues and so have most of the other platforms.

If I was going for a fancy 10mm I would without a doubt pickup a Dan Wesson Specialist in said caliber.

The X-Ten Issues are ancient history now. If you buy a new one now it will run like a clock.

 

[calicojack]

I still love my 1911. So there!

 

[308Scout]

I still love my 1911. So there!

Nothing wrong with loving a 1911 and a Glock (and maybe a Sig) for the same practical purpose.

 

[Biggfoot44]

there is virtually no benefit to having 8+1 vs 15+1…

There is , if the 8 +1 has better fit , balance , and trigger .

Notwithstanding making a loud noise to discourage a bear with only questionable intent , if you have to shoot for real , the only thing that matters is making a precise shot to the head , with a round capable of penetrating the skull .

First shot hits are the goal , after 2 , or 3 at most shots , it will be hand to paw combat , if they're not dropped first .

You will run out of time before you run out of ammo in the gun , even Revolvers or Single Stacks .

Added - FWIW , my 10mm is Glock for various reasons . But for purely Gunfights with Bears , a Delta isn't a handicap .

 

[miles71]

2022, 226, (2) 228, (2) 365, 320, 320XTen not a single problem

Reads like a list for Santa lol

TD

 

[TinCuda]

I have been wanting to get a 10mm handgun to add to my collection. I am not really all that interested in a serious carry gun or anything. Mostly just something to have around that will shoot the 10mm at the range. Does anyone have any thoughts on the new Taurus 10mm pistol? The price seems in the ballpark to match my want. I know Taurus has had mixed reviews in the past, but I had a Taurus 92 back in the mid 1990s that worked great. Besides, it has to be better than the Hi-Point, right? LOL

Taurus TH10 - 10mm Double/Single Action

Expanding the sturdy line of the Taurus TH series, the TH10 offers the mighty 10mm, perfect for personal protection from both two legged & four legged threats.

www.taurususa.com

 

[John from MD]

I have owned a few Taurus pistols and revolvers and I think that they are fine for the money. I even shot a 24/7 .45 ACP in IDPA back in the day and it never had a hiccup.

If the trigger on the new guns is similar to the 24/7, it will take some getting used to as it is closer to a Kahr than a Sig 365.

 

[Biggfoot44]

Are Taraus as bad as the internet lore ? No . ( Overall ) are they as good as major name US mfg / major name euro with US customer service & warranty ? No .

Made up numbers , but close enough to make useful illiustration :

More 90 % of Tauri , you'll have no issues vs almost 99 % of the above .

All Tauri are not equal ..

Steel frame K frame equivalent , steel frame J frame equivalent , M92's they've been making forever , and have figured out . Before our own Clandestine was totally about AR , and still posted about 1911 , he commented that Taraus 1911 didn't suck . ( Albeit , the Turks are undercutting , and Philippines have stepped up their QC .)


The good news is that Taraus is very innovative with new designs and new materials .

The bad news is they are innovative too quickly , and buyers of newly introduced pistols are beta testers .

Particularly for Taraus , is my usual advice to not buy a brand new pistol model/ variants until its been out for a year , for initial bugs are worked out . Half the time , the latest Tauri of the week will be discontinued by then .

 

[Magnumite]

Are Taraus as bad as the internet lore ? No . ( Overall ) are they as good as major name US mfg / major name euro with US customer service & warranty ? No .

Made up numbers , but close enough to make useful illiustration :

More 90 % of Tauri , you'll have no issues vs almost 99 % of the above .

All Tauri are not equal ..

Steel frame K frame equivalent , steel frame J frame equivalent , M92's they've been making forever , and have figured out . Before our own Clandestine was totally about AR , and still posted about 1911 , he commented that Taraus 1911 didn't suck . ( Albeit , the Turks are undercutting , and Philippines have stepped up their QC .)


The good news is that Taraus is very innovative with new designs and new materials .

The bad news is they are innovative too quickly , and buyers of newly introduced pistols are beta testers .

Particularly for Taraus , is my usual advice to not buy a brand new pistol model/ variants until its been out for a year , for initial bugs are worked out . Half the time , the latest Tauri of the week will be discontinued by then .

None other than Clint Smith gave a box stock 45 ACP Taurus 1911 a favorable review. Nothing earth shattering but positive .