THE STAY IS LIFTED! effective in 14 days

[Vendicator]

What effect if any will this have on Utah permit holders?

NONE, unless MD recognizes Utah's permit. If that happens then you would need a MD permit to get a Utah permit.

 

[Humon Slave]

article is gone now.

they changed to link
http://www.wusa9.com/news/article/2...-gives-Maryland-same-rights-as-most-of-the-US

 

[jake12]

Found this video when I viewed the link above.

Tons of inaccurate statements by the Lt. Governor... Sad, sad reporting.

http://www.wusa9.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=214084

 

[Mr H]

NONE, unless MD recognizes Utah's permit. If that happens then you would need a MD permit to get a Utah permit.

As I understand it, even when MD starts issuing, existing UT holders will be valid for the current term of the permit.

If that's not accurate, I welcome a correction.

 

[Bikebreath]

Just hooking on so I can watch

Hello and welcome. There's a drop-down menu at the top of the page, "Thread Tools" and in there you can "subscribe" to the thread.

 

[swinokur]

Until MD recognizes UT, all of this is irrelevant. The UT law has both stipulations

1. Home state issuance.
2. recognition of UT permit.

If one or both are not met, you're OK.

 

[AliasNeo07]

You are correct. I had a disconnect between my brain and my fingers.

If you apply between now and 12:01am on August 8th and CA4 issues a stay before the 8th, you will lose your money and your application will be denied.

If you apply now and there is no stay before the order lifting the temporary stay takes effect, your application will be processed without regard to G&S.

Understood. But what if you apply on the 9th and CA4 issues a stay on the 13th?

 

[eruby]

Understood. But what if you apply on the 9th and CA4 issues a stay on the 13th?

IANAL but there's probably a good chance you'll be denied and lose the money as a stay is a stay, whenever issued. IANAL

 

[Mr H]

Understood. But what if you apply on the 9th and CA4 issues a stay on the 13th?

In that example...

Between the 8th and 13th, G&S (as we've known it) is moot. As I'm reading it, it would be a valid application.

 

[eruby]

In that example...

Between the 8th and 13th, G&S (as we've known it) is moot. It would be a valid application.

I'm a ignorant chump.

 

[Mr H]

I'm a ignorant chump.

Don't sell yourself short... you're an exceptional chump.

 

[swinokur]

Yes you are a real chumpion.

couldn't resist

 

[SprinklerMan]

Thanks for the responses on the Utah permit.

 

[eyesinpines]

Here's a question...

Don't you think that Gansler, in the knowledge that the stay may well be overturned by Judge Legg, would have had a request for stay pending judgement all written and ready to be filed with CA4 IMMEDIATELY the good Judge lifted his stay?

Why hasn't it been filed by now as he must know he's running out of time?

 

[FRISteve]

I'm trying to sort this out

If this goes through to the 7th with no 4CA stay, what happens to those with permits that have restrictions (based on G&S)? At first blush, I could see the restrictions as being no longer being enforceable, but, on the other hand, the permit was obtained with G&S during the time frame when G&S was the law.

Anyone care to comment?

 

[Inigoes]

If this goes through to the 7th with no 4CA stay, what happens to those with permits that have restrictions (based on G&S)? At first blush, I could see the restrictions as being no longer being enforceable, but, on the other hand, the permit was obtained with G&S during the time frame when G&S was the law.

Anyone care to comment?

You have to request your restrictions be lifted by the MSP, $10 and a new picture.

 

[MDFF2008]

Here's a question...

Don't you think that Gansler, in the knowledge that the stay may well be overturned by Judge Legg, would have had a request for stay pending judgement all written and ready to be filed with CA4 IMMEDIATELY the good Judge lifted his stay?

Why hasn't it been filed by now as he must know he's running out of time?

Two possibilities.

His ego went to his head...again

He's afraid of a second loss on a stay, which would hurt his merits case

 

[kohburn]

If this goes through to the 7th with no 4CA stay, what happens to those with permits that have restrictions (based on G&S)? At first blush, I could see the restrictions as being no longer being enforceable, but, on the other hand, the permit was obtained with G&S during the time frame when G&S was the law.

Anyone care to comment?

request lift of restrictions - or if your permit is work/business based then apply for an additional unrestricted personal permit

 

[FRISteve]

request lift of restrictions - or if your permit is work/business based then apply for an additional unrestricted personal permit

I agree that that was the old way - but if G&S can't exist per Legg, then no permit should have restrictions. Therefore, do those permits with restrictions still actually have enforceable restrictions?

 

[Patrick]

Here's a question...

Don't you think that Gansler, in the knowledge that the stay may well be overturned by Judge Legg, would have had a request for stay pending judgement all written and ready to be filed with CA4 IMMEDIATELY the good Judge lifted his stay?

Why hasn't it been filed by now as he must know he's running out of time?

These are not boilerplate. The standard for getting the stay at the 4th has to include a claim that Judge Legg "abused discretion". It's hard to say that here. They'd have to dig in deep and come up with something that suggests he was grossly out of line with the law. Esq might be able to give more info, but it appears a steep climb to make.

They are probably sitting around hashing ideas now.