The Coming National Gun Ban

[GlocksAndPatriots]

I gotta stop checking this thread. Y'all are making me depressed....

Good! Depression is the only thing that might get us to act collectively to take action.

 

[protegeV]

Good! Depression is the only thing that might get us to act collectively to take action.

Like preemptive action? I am voting

OR after she gets elected?(hopefully not) in that case, I think I'm in the right spot for "action"

 

[ROBAR35]

Time to buy a boat.

 

[iH8DemLibz]

I do not doubt that such a draconian and anti-2A ban could pass but it is unlikely statistically. The public strongly supports 2A and majorities are wary of government holding too much power.

A couple things the article doesn't take into account is public backlash and what happens when statistically the opposing party regains control and can just as easily de-ban. It's not like Obama care where it's becoming a public institution and becomes messier to kill everyday, repealing a gun ban has little/no negative effects or costs nor abruptly changes how anyone lives.

Last point, we all know that very unfortunately, acts of terror will be with us unabated in the long term. Sadly they've always been with human kind since civilization. It will be easy to show a gun ban did nothing to stop terrorism, that it only deprived Americans of their bill of rights.

When Hillary Clinton breeds this country Blue, imports hundreds of thousands of refugees, grants citizenship to millions of illegal immigrants, and finally owns the electoral college, the Democrats won't give a flying reindeer f**k what the citizens like or don't like.

 

[GlocksAndPatriots]

When Hillary Clinton breeds this country Blue, imports hundreds of thousands of refugees, grants citizenship to millions of illegal immigrants, and finally owns the electoral college, the Democrats won't give a flying reindeer f**k what the citizens like or don't like.

Exactly. Texas is projected to flip by 2024 (due to liberal Americans moving there to flee the high taxes they voted for in their own place and due to Hispanic immigration). After that happens, the Republicans cannot win an election. Hell, I think this is the last election that the Republicans stood a chance to win.

 

[Tebonski]

If that monster is elected and replaces Scalia with another ginsberg then anything she wants will happen by executive order and five rubber stamp bolsheviks on the supreme liberal court. Think of science fiction becoming political she will be able to do anything she wants by decree her court will uphold everything..........every unconstitutional whim will be upheld. She is our worst nightmare. The spineless republicans will do nothing. Only Trump can save this nation now. Be afraid.

 

[Mark75H]

If that monster is elected and replaces Scalia with another ginsberg then anything she wants will happen by executive order and five rubber stamp bolsheviks on the supreme liberal court. Think of science fiction becoming political she will be able to do anything she wants by decree her court will uphold everything..........every unconstitutional whim will be upheld. She is our worst nightmare. The spineless republicans will do nothing. Only Trump can save this nation now. Be afraid.

If the Senate confirms any Hillary nominee, McConnell can change his last name to von Hindenburg.


The president has as much or more responsibilty to nominate someone the senate will approve, as the senate has to approve ANY nominee sent up by the president. There is no obligation of the senate to approve ANY nominee it does not like. We can go 4 or 8 years with 8 or fewer SC members.

Pray for

 

[nedsurf]

I particularly appreciate any article that draws an analogy to Hobbes' Leviathan. It is apropos I believe.

 

[MaxVO2]

If the Senate confirms any Hillary nominee, McConnell can change his last name to von Hindenburg.


The president has as much or more responsibilty to nominate someone the senate will approve, as the senate has to approve ANY nominee sent up by the president. There is no obligation of the senate to approve ANY nominee it does not like. We can go 4 or 8 years with 8 or fewer SC members.

Pray for

*****McConnell will NOT be Senate majority leader if Republicans, who fight amongst themselves seemingly more than against Democrats, lose the Senate. This is a very real possibility if things go really bad for us in a month or so. Republican establishment types can't even get behind the presidential nominee chosen by their constituents - they seemingly HATE their constituents, think they know better than the folks in flyover country between "civilized" New York, and California. The whole voting thing seems to be becoming an afterthought at this point - voter fraud and demographic shifts in our population are turning this country into a one party country, with only a titular opposition (Republicans..)

I'm still in a funk about this coming national gun ban, under the auspices of "sensible gun control", and am not looking forward to explaining to my hunter and other shooting friends who didn't believe me when I told them this would happen, why they couldn't be bothered to vote for a guy who was not their first choice.

Yea tomorrow is another day. Hope it's better than I feel about all of this today.

 

[WeaponsCollector]

"When guns are outlawed I'll become an outlaw."
Simple as that really.

 

[Mark75H]

If the Senate confirms any Hillary nominee, McConnell can change his last name to von Hindenburg.


The president has as much or more responsibilty to nominate someone the senate will approve, as the senate has to approve ANY nominee sent up by the president. There is no obligation of the senate to approve ANY nominee it does not like. We can go 4 or 8 years with 8 or fewer SC members.

Pray for

Dang, hit submit too soon.

Pray for a continued Republican majority in the senate, lead by other than von Hindenburg and his ilk.

 

[zoostation]

Some of the other unpleasant possibilities can also extend beyond the reach of a SCOTUS appointment as well. While overturning Heller would be their crown jewel, they can move without doing it. Even if the Senate can hold up a leftist appointment to SCOTUS, we need to remember the regular federal courts, especially the circuits. The circuits where 95% of the federal appellate cases that never get to SCOTUS are decided.

You can have a compliant circuit court, like the 6th that just upheld Connecticut's hysterical ban. With a SCOTUS deadlocked at 4-4 on anything gun-related the circuits will be free to make what are de facto finalized rulings on guns that will last for years. Given the general history of most of them on gun control, that isn't a good thing for us. Anti-gun state politicians located in compliant circuits will be able to impose gun controls far in excess of what Heller would allow and there will be in effect no one to complain to about it.

 

[zoostation]

Just as a thought. Here's where they're at in Hillary's model of Australia right now. They are now going after lever actions as well. First victim is the lever action shotguns. The lever-action Adler 12 gauge is now banned in New South Wales and Victoria and they're trying to make it nationwide. "8 shots in 8 seconds" is the battle cry. These assholes never stop.

http://www.guncontrolaustralia.org/ban_the_adler

Improvements in firearm technology and design has turned the old clunky lever-action shotgun into a modern rapid-fire gun that can shoot 8 rounds in 8 seconds.

Even though the design of the lever action shotgun has changed the categorisation of this firearm has not, and this weapon is currently falling through a loophole in our gun laws.

Currently all lever action shotguns (even ones with magazines) are categorised as a ‘general hunting rifle’ (Category A & B) - the least restrictive firearm category available to the majority of firearm licence holders, of which there are over 800,000.

We understand that primary producers, military etc. require access to these firearms for genuine purposes, however recreational shooters have no reason to access a rapid-shot firearm.

The Federal Government needs to act now to prevent this rapid fire shotgun from flooding the Australian market.

 

[GlocksAndPatriots]

Just as a thought. Here's where they're at in Hillary's model of Australia right now. They are now going after lever actions as well. First victim is the lever action shotguns. The lever-action Adler 12 gauge is now banned in New South Wales and Victoria and they're trying to make it nationwide. "8 shots in 8 seconds" is the battle cry. These assholes never stop.

http://www.guncontrolaustralia.org/ban_the_adler

Anyone who doesn't realize by this point that their intent is to ban all privately owned firearms is a delusional idiot.

 

[Z_Man]

I have found one paradox.... if the police are decimated, reduced and neutered, who will confiscate all the newly banned guns?

 

[eruby]

I have found one paradox.... if the police are decimated, reduced and neutered, who will confiscate all the newly banned guns?

The FEDERAL police

 

[Mark75H]

The FEDERAL police

"Because of the turmoil in our major cities and the local police's inability to quell violence and make our cities safe for our citizens and children, by Executive Order, I hearby establish the FEDERAL police. The first order of public safety, I am directing the nationwide confiscation of all personal firearms. Other OOPS's will be announced soon."

 

[bbguns]

This election represents an existential threat to the status quo on many levels.

First, if Trump manages to win, the death-grip monopoly on power held by the two dominant parties *might* crack. Whatever you may think of him, he's the outsider, non-politician candidate, essentially uncontrollable by the party leaders. On the other side, the 'beast is yet another in a long line of party (and media, in this case) anointed ones. Her candidacy, nomination, and ascension to the throne (sorry, Presidency) has been planned and ordained by the elitist political aristocracy that's run our nation into the ground. If she wins, it will legitimize the efforts of our controlling class.

Second, if the 'beast wins, she will appoint her brand of SC judges, rack up more debt, double down on o-care, and find a way to allow any and all illegals to remain as citizens. Republicans (or what's left of them) may never win another general election. The American political landscape will be forever altered.

Third, as has been discussed here, if the 'beast wins, she will appoint 1-3 SC justices and who knows how many federal judges, all of whom can be counted on to be activist in nature and certainly no friend of the Constitution or Bill of Rights. The USA, as we know it, will simply fade away. She may not be able to ban guns outright but the steady erosion of rights will lead to a de facto ban in the future.


I need to go throw up now.

 

[jessebogan]

Unless the people decide to grow a spine and some balls. If WE do not choose to comply, there really is not a damn thing the .gov can do about it. Ny and CT passed a bunch of "laws" but the compliance rate is 10% or less. Seen any door to door raids yet? Passing a "law" is not the same as enforcing it. Near as I can tell, our RIGHTS are not up for a vote, the GD berobed judges can't disappear them, no matter what they might think about it. Stop wringing your hands, stand up, look the tyrants in the eye and say HELL NO. Meanwhile, go vote for Trump, and take a friend with you. Screw the Commies. Who GAF what they think or do?

 

[ironpony]

With all the Federal level possibilities is the HQL lawsuit still worth the resources? Just a question, please don't beat me up here.