Tactical Response at it again. Dangerous and Unprofessional

[protegeV]

 

[dontpanic]

Was this before or after the instructor climbed up the pole with his special boots and throwing stars?

Ninja shoes. He got his big toe on the trigger.

 

[zoostation]

I need to find a tactical nails class. Then I can be ninja monk, 4th degree internet certified.

 

[hogarth]

Losers. I have done and will continue to do lots of training, but have never and will never consider training with Yeager and friends.

 

[PJDiesel]

 

[lonzo]

Sorry, but I don't believe it. State and federal law prevents most stupid things and if it did happen, major lawsuit. So I highly doubt these kind of nonsense


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[Fox123]

Go back and read the link to calguns, the representative from the range they were using verified this actually happened.

 

[Armadillofz1]

I have such an aversion to anything named or deemed "Tactical" I hate the word in all of what it has come to mean. All i can picture is some tactibeard clad 5.11, head to toe, operator trying to out zero Instructor Zero. Many classes like this, and they'll never see a penny of what litle money i have.

 

[5.56blaster]

If an instructor stomped on my pistol id stomp on his head. Step on my $1000 firearm and I'm going wreck your day. I was an instructor for almost 20 years and I don't get the point in that. Step on a pistol are ya stupid?

 

[Hawkeye]

Sorry, but I don't believe it. State and federal law prevents most stupid things and if it did happen, major lawsuit. So I highly doubt these kind of nonsense


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Don't know if that was meant as sarcasm, but this most definitely did happen. From the Calguns thread:

A negligent discharge did occur the morning of February 18th during Day 2 of a pistol course instructed by Tactical Response on Range 11 (200yrd Bay), outside of what we would considered the shooting area.

This incident was not reported to any of our range staff at the time. Our operations manager (Mike Calvo) was made aware of the incident via an email from a concerned member of the club with family that took the TR course. I was immediately informed and instructed Mr. Calvo to proceed with an investigation.

I have personally talked to several participants at the course and one eye witness that observed the incident from beginning to end at close proximity.

We will not bother going into the fine details of the incident but the Board of Directors of Folsom Shooting Club has determined that Tactical Response will no longer be allowed to conduct any type of training at Sacramento Valley Shooting Center. This is effective immediately. An official email notifying Tactical Response is being sent as I post this reply.

FSC appreciates all that reached out with first hand knowledge of the incident.

Sincerely,

Vu Pham
FSC - President

 

[vgplayer]

So quick to eat our own instead of learn and build up.

 

[Hawkeye]

So quick to eat our own instead of learn and build up.

How do you mean that?

This instructor was having his students do blatantly unsafe things, was doing unsafe things himself, and somebody could have been shot because of it.

 

[PJDiesel]

Yeah, I don't consider EVERY gun owner to be "one of my own". There are complete idiots in every walk of life, I do my best to avoid them.

 

[Kbroc2]

Never had a problem or felt in danger training with them. That one instructor was either new or an outside assistant instructor. I trained with them in Hershey, PA April 2014. Honestly probably the most mature and responsible group of instructors. They treated everyone like adults and students reciprocated by being adults. Expect some serious learning that gets glossed over or missed in most other basic pistol classes.

Took fighting pistol in Camden Tn. in February and fighting rifle over the summer in Palmyra PA. It was excellent training and couldn't be happier to go back in the future, most of what you hear on the internet is overblown. Did we fire with people beyond 180 degree line yes, did we drop our pistols yes, did we break any cardinal safety rules no.

 

[5.56blaster]

I'm confused on the "drop your pistol" thing. Step on your pistol thing? As an instructor I taught retention of your weapon. As a combatant I never dropped my weapon. That's a good way to end up dead. I did 26 years and 4 combat deployments, maybe I'm just not "tactical "enough to understand all this cool stuff.

 

[PJDiesel]

I did 26 years and 4 combat deployments, maybe I'm just not "tactical "enough to understand all this cool stuff.

Shit yeah! Thanks for your service.

 

[dist1646]

We just need more of these tactical mall ninja instructor types! Those poor guys are so misunderstood!

 

[TheBert]

Took fighting pistol in Camden Tn. in February and fighting rifle over the summer in Palmyra PA. It was excellent training and couldn't be happier to go back in the future, most of what you hear on the internet is overblown. Did we fire with people beyond 180 degree line yes, did we drop our pistols yes, did we break any cardinal safety rules no.

What was the stated purpose for dropping your pistol on the ground?

 

[Kbroc2]

I'm confused on the "drop your pistol" thing. Step on your pistol thing? As an instructor I taught retention of your weapon. As a combatant I never dropped my weapon. That's a good way to end up dead. I did 26 years and 4 combat deployments, maybe I'm just not "tactical "enough to understand all this cool stuff.

What I took from it was 1 be prepared to drop it when told to by police once they arrive to a self defense scenario and 2 it's a tool treat it like one it's allowed to get dirty. No one stepped or stomped on them. once they were on the ground an instructor walked down the line pointing them downrange before the next course of instruction started.

 

[Straightshooter]

What was the stated purpose for dropping your pistol on the ground?

It's likely done to see if there are any "Tactical" types in the class with big enough balls to say FY!