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Markp
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- Dec 22, 2008
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and despite incorporation, nothing will change... We will see policies put into place to subvert the constitutional guarantees of our natural rights.
Mark
I was thinking that too. This ruling is not an "automatic" for us. There will still be some fighting to do... ... I wonder what they'll raise the app fee to in Md.??
ezliving
Besieger
Mayor Daley Preps For Supreme Court Gun Ban Ruling
If the high court overturns ban, he said he's ready to jump into action.
Reporting
Suzanne Le Mignot
Forty-eight hours from now, the Supreme Court could overturn Chicago's handgun ban. Mayor Daley says he's ready to act if that happens, as CBS 2's Suzanne Le Mignot reports.
The mayor said legislation would immediately be introduced in City Council. He said the violence last weekend, 54 people shot, 10 of those people dead, shows the need for the city's handgun ban to remain in place. The mayor also said, taking control of the violence starts with residents, taking a stand.
Members of New Life Covenant Church and other organizations lined 79th Street, from Dobson to the Dan Ryan Expressway, asked God for mercy on their community -- 3,000 strong with heads bowed.
"There's power in numbers and we outnumber any gang banger, any drug dealer or anybody with guns," said Pastor John Hannah of New Life Covenant Church.
Their message, wanting gun violence to end in the city, is not lost on Mayor Daley.
Monday, the Supreme Court is expected to issue their ruling on Chicago's handgun ban. There's speculation, the ban will be overturned. Daley said legislation would immediately be introduced in city council.
"Guns are not the answer. Like in a home or outside a home, to solve all the issues confronting people. If allow it, if you allow guns to overtake us, they will overtake you," Daley said.
"I'm still optimistic they're not gonna overturn it. I think it's getting into the state's ability to govern themselves, but we'll be prepared for that," said Chicago Police Supt. Jody Weis. "We've discussed a lot of options, but we really can't move too far forward, until you really know what you have. The challenge is, once they make this decision, it's in effect immediately."
Weis on Friday announced that Ernest Brown, the chief of the organized crime division, was promoted to Deputy Superintendent of the Patrol Division, replacing Dan Dugan. But Saturday, Weis said he changed the leadership of his department's patrol division to inject a shot of innovation and bolster officers' ability to forge bonds with community residents to tackle the gang problem and fight crime across the city.
Ronald Holt lost his son Blair to gun violence in 2007. Holt is now the Director of the CAPS (Community Alternative Policing Strategy) program for the city.
"Well of course we hope that the Supreme Court does not overturn the ruling because the handgun ban in Chicago is still a tool in the shed, not just for the Chicago Police Department, but for the community as well," Holt said.
Like Blair Holt, Joyce Hunter's son, Julius Birdine was also shot to death in 2007. Hunter said the Supreme court overturning the city's handgun ban, would mean only one thing.
"More killing. More killing. More killing. And it needs to stop. It needs to stop. We need to save our youth," Hunter said.
So does Walter Jacobson.
When it comes to the safety of young people in the city, the mayor announced a number of new programs, among them, one connecting curfew violators with positive activities and mentoring.
If the high court overturns ban, he said he's ready to jump into action.
Suzanne Le Mignot
Forty-eight hours from now, the Supreme Court could overturn Chicago's handgun ban. Mayor Daley says he's ready to act if that happens, as CBS 2's Suzanne Le Mignot reports.
The mayor said legislation would immediately be introduced in City Council. He said the violence last weekend, 54 people shot, 10 of those people dead, shows the need for the city's handgun ban to remain in place. The mayor also said, taking control of the violence starts with residents, taking a stand.
Members of New Life Covenant Church and other organizations lined 79th Street, from Dobson to the Dan Ryan Expressway, asked God for mercy on their community -- 3,000 strong with heads bowed.
"There's power in numbers and we outnumber any gang banger, any drug dealer or anybody with guns," said Pastor John Hannah of New Life Covenant Church.
Their message, wanting gun violence to end in the city, is not lost on Mayor Daley.
Monday, the Supreme Court is expected to issue their ruling on Chicago's handgun ban. There's speculation, the ban will be overturned. Daley said legislation would immediately be introduced in city council.
"Guns are not the answer. Like in a home or outside a home, to solve all the issues confronting people. If allow it, if you allow guns to overtake us, they will overtake you," Daley said.
"I'm still optimistic they're not gonna overturn it. I think it's getting into the state's ability to govern themselves, but we'll be prepared for that," said Chicago Police Supt. Jody Weis. "We've discussed a lot of options, but we really can't move too far forward, until you really know what you have. The challenge is, once they make this decision, it's in effect immediately."
Weis on Friday announced that Ernest Brown, the chief of the organized crime division, was promoted to Deputy Superintendent of the Patrol Division, replacing Dan Dugan. But Saturday, Weis said he changed the leadership of his department's patrol division to inject a shot of innovation and bolster officers' ability to forge bonds with community residents to tackle the gang problem and fight crime across the city.
Ronald Holt lost his son Blair to gun violence in 2007. Holt is now the Director of the CAPS (Community Alternative Policing Strategy) program for the city.
"Well of course we hope that the Supreme Court does not overturn the ruling because the handgun ban in Chicago is still a tool in the shed, not just for the Chicago Police Department, but for the community as well," Holt said.
Like Blair Holt, Joyce Hunter's son, Julius Birdine was also shot to death in 2007. Hunter said the Supreme court overturning the city's handgun ban, would mean only one thing.
"More killing. More killing. More killing. And it needs to stop. It needs to stop. We need to save our youth," Hunter said.
So does Walter Jacobson.
When it comes to the safety of young people in the city, the mayor announced a number of new programs, among them, one connecting curfew violators with positive activities and mentoring.
ezliving
Besieger
By the way, isn't it time to start using a more up to date image of John Lott?
John Lott with Paul Helmke
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The3clipser
Mister Tea
- Nov 29, 2009
- 1,851
But, but, the handgun ban! We need it! It's so effective! I mean, all those people being shot aren't being shot with handguns! Oh wait, they are?
- Nov 2, 2009
- 5,001
Absolutely true. All a positive opinion in McDonald will do is set a precedent for lawsuits. We will still have to file suit to have bans overturned just like with Heller. Who has the deepest pockets? Don't forget, unlike many (most) of his predicessorrs. Obama has NO PROBLEM criticizing SCOUTUS opinions in his SOTU speech and Congress has no problem trying to overturn the SCOTUS by legislation. McDonald (if in our favor) will ONLY stand until they have an OBAMA court.
krucam
Ultimate Member
Immediately following McDonald, these following dominoes will begin to fall, perhaps within 60-90 days:
- Palmer v. DC (Bear/Carry in DC) has been on hold, likely pending McDonald. It should now move forward.
- Nordyke (Ban on gun shows held on CA country property) http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Nordyke_v._King
- Sykes (60 day wait after McDonald) Challenging CA carry licencing http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Sykes_v._McGinness
- Peña (pending McDonald & Nordyke) Challenging CA's restrictive handgun roster http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Pena_v_Cid
If 'Bear' is ruled protected, expect some immediate 'action' on both fronts.
ezliving
Besieger
Sykes pending until after Nordyke. http://www.hoffmang.com/firearms/sykes/038-Order-Continuance.pdf
Peña pending until after Nordyke. http://www.hoffmang.com/firearms/pena/gov.uscourts.caed.191444.24.0.pdf
krucam
Ultimate Member
Thanks...I thought I had the T's dotted and I's crossed...
there are dominos and dominos that MUST be put in the right order...
there are dominos and dominos that MUST be put in the right order...
ezliving
Besieger
I don't understand why Palmer is waiting for McDonald. Palmer is a DC case.
I can't find a hold order for Palmer from the judge, either.
I can't find a hold order for Palmer from the judge, either.
krucam
Ultimate Member
I did some digging a month or so ago and couldn't find anything either. An individual in the case indicated it is on hold but didn't offer up much more than that...
pcfixer
Ultimate Member
updated from http://www.scotusblog.com/2010/06/the-final-four-decisions/#more-22266
The next case is McDonald v. City of Chicago, which presents the question whether the Second Amendment’s right to keep and bear arms is “incorporated” and therefore applies to state and local gun regulation. McDonald was argued in February, and the only Justice not to write from that sitting is Justice Alito. He therefore likely has the Court’s opinion.
Justice Alito was a member of the five-Justice majority that recognized a Second Amendment right outside the context of militia service in the Heller case. He therefore is a likely vote for finding incorporation. At oral argument in McDonald, Justice Alito seemed quite doubtful about the City’s efforts to suggest a narrow ground for ruling.
I predict that Justice Alito will write the Court’s opinion in McDonald recognizing that the Second Amendment is incorporated. But given Justice Alito’s sensitivity towards law enforcement, I doubt that the opinion will call into question a broad swath of firearms regulation
The next case is McDonald v. City of Chicago, which presents the question whether the Second Amendment’s right to keep and bear arms is “incorporated” and therefore applies to state and local gun regulation. McDonald was argued in February, and the only Justice not to write from that sitting is Justice Alito. He therefore likely has the Court’s opinion.
Justice Alito was a member of the five-Justice majority that recognized a Second Amendment right outside the context of militia service in the Heller case. He therefore is a likely vote for finding incorporation. At oral argument in McDonald, Justice Alito seemed quite doubtful about the City’s efforts to suggest a narrow ground for ruling.
I predict that Justice Alito will write the Court’s opinion in McDonald recognizing that the Second Amendment is incorporated. But given Justice Alito’s sensitivity towards law enforcement, I doubt that the opinion will call into question a broad swath of firearms regulation
Sounds like a 5-4 decision to me...
The next case is McDonald v. City of Chicago, which presents the question whether the Second Amendment’s right to keep and bear arms is “incorporated” and therefore applies to state and local gun regulation. McDonald was argued in February, and the only Justice not to write from that sitting is Justice Alito. He therefore likely has the Court’s opinion.
Justice Alito was a member of the five-Justice majority that recognized a Second Amendment right outside the context of militia service in the Heller case. He therefore is a likely vote for finding incorporation. At oral argument in McDonald, Justice Alito seemed quite doubtful about the City’s efforts to suggest a narrow ground for ruling.
I predict that Justice Alito will write the Court’s opinion in McDonald recognizing that the Second Amendment is incorporated. But given Justice Alito’s sensitivity towards law enforcement, I doubt that the opinion will call into question a broad swath of firearms regulation
The next case is McDonald v. City of Chicago, which presents the question whether the Second Amendment’s right to keep and bear arms is “incorporated” and therefore applies to state and local gun regulation. McDonald was argued in February, and the only Justice not to write from that sitting is Justice Alito. He therefore likely has the Court’s opinion.
Justice Alito was a member of the five-Justice majority that recognized a Second Amendment right outside the context of militia service in the Heller case. He therefore is a likely vote for finding incorporation. At oral argument in McDonald, Justice Alito seemed quite doubtful about the City’s efforts to suggest a narrow ground for ruling.
I predict that Justice Alito will write the Court’s opinion in McDonald recognizing that the Second Amendment is incorporated. But given Justice Alito’s sensitivity towards law enforcement, I doubt that the opinion will call into question a broad swath of firearms regulation
Sounds like a 5-4 decision to me...
krucam
Ultimate Member
Anyone else feeling like a 10 year old on Christmas Eve? Crap...I don't want to go to bed...the anticipation is killing me.
Nobody
Ultimate Member
- Jan 15, 2009
- 2,858
Not me, I have resigned to the fact we are screwed with the ruleing tomorrow. I will be extremely happy if I am wrong but IMHO....after tomorrow will be just like yesterday for us.....at least for a few more years.
NOBODY
Ab_Normal
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I predict June 28th.
I think it is a given that the politicians will never give up an ounce of power they think they have. That is why the Framer's saw fit to pen the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. They knew we would have a bunch of narrow-minded, bumbling idiots elected to office on promises they had no intention of trying keep usurping as much power as they possibly could. Gosh, those guys were smart.
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