Long Island Audit Visits Cecil County

[jc1240]

If you walk into a library or public office building and the people complain they are are "uncomfortable" that someone is pursuing a Constitutionally protected right the public servants get multiple police officers in response.

If you complain that at a Baltimore street corner you are accosted and threatened by someone with a squeegee in their hand attempting to extort money from you; call the police and see what kind of response you get.

Don't have to on the 2nd paragraph. Back when it was big news, there were local news crews videorecording such interactions and in the background you can see BPD officers just standing there watching. I don't blame the officers. It is their commanders and the politicians that produced that feckless non-response.

I'm uncomfortable with people who exercise a right to vote for idiots like Jackson-Lee.

 

[Blacksmith101]

Here is a short one where the video taper was arrested but won his lawsuit for over $30,000.

 

[traveller]

They of course only post the ones that prove the point they're hoping to make. It's entirely possible that he provokes hundreds of interactions a year but since the vast majority don't go the way he wants, you never see them.

Some of those 'auditors' post the ones that 'pass audit' in addition to the failures.

But of course, a 30 second interaction 'Hi, I am deputy Rivera from the Pomona sheriff's office. I advised the facility staff that you are within your rights to film here in the public area and that this is not a police matter. You have a nice day' doesn't get promoted by the YouTube, TikTok and Instagram algorithms. A cop losing his shit and flipping into jackbooted authoritarian mode generates more clicks causing it to be pushed further by the algorithms.

So I don't think it's an issue of the auditors hiding the ones that don't engage or act professional and within the law. Its just that the ones who fail at their job create more interaction and get promoted.

 

[BurkeM]

The real question in these audit videos is why do the police need everyone's ID when the person (auditor) they are interacting with ..

Because the courts have issued over 5 million Arrest warrants, and Police are ordered to look for FUGITIVES.
There is no requirement for someone 'to break a law' in the presence of the officer. Requesting ID to check for wants/warrants is a reasonable thing for 330,000,000 people who are not criminals.

Next, because of thousands of issues, police are REQUIRED by courts to DOCUMENT every interaction with the public.

Officers are supposed to report the names, races, ages and descriptions of people they interview as witnesses, complainants, suspects, and detainees. TO THE COURTS, per dozens of CONSENT DECREES in places like Baltimore, Chicago, DC, etc.

Every incident is an investigation.

Example- someone is 'acting suspiciously' on Tuesday at the Merrifield Post Office.
A week later, police are informed of two sexual assaults and an attempted kidnapping near that spot.

Detectives check for investigative stops- field notes- over the past 30 days, looking for suspects.
(The rape and murder in Harford Co. Sexual assault on the C&O. Someone harasses your mother at Costco)

 

[Garet Jax]

Because the courts have issued over 5 million Arrest warrants, and Police are ordered to look for FUGITIVES.
There is no requirement for someone 'to break a law' in the presence of the officer. Requesting ID to check for wants/warrants is a reasonable thing for 330,000,000 people who are not criminals.

Next, because of thousands of issues, police are REQUIRED by courts to DOCUMENT every interaction with the public.

Officers are supposed to report the names, races, ages and descriptions of people they interview as witnesses, complainants, suspects, and detainees. TO THE COURTS, per dozens of CONSENT DECREES in places like Baltimore, Chicago, DC, etc.

Every incident is an investigation.

Example- someone is 'acting suspiciously' on Tuesday at the Merrifield Post Office.
A week later, police are informed of two sexual assaults and an attempted kidnapping near that spot.

Detectives check for investigative stops- field notes- over the past 30 days, looking for suspects.
(The rape and murder in Harford Co. Sexual assault on the C&O. Someone harasses your mother at Costco)

I fully understand police wanting to get ID from someone. I even understand them pushing pretty hard to get it. What I don't understand is why they escalate to an arrest when their requests and demands are not met. If there was enough for an arrest to start, they would have done so on initial contact or soon thereafter. If there isn't enough for an arrest, someone refusing to provide ID does not escalate to enough for arrest.

 

[BurkeM]

What I don't understand is why they escalate to an arrest when their requests and demands are not met.

Poor training in their first 6 months at the Academy.

 

[Garet Jax]

Poor training in their first 6 months at the Academy.

I'd say it's more fundamental than that. Folks don't understand their God given rights in America. This shouldn't need to be taught at the police academy. It should be taught in grade school and reinforced all the way through HS. It should be assumed to be known by the time they reach the academy.

 

[Inigoes]

Was Rosa Parks an ass?

The cops stay to long because of their ego. There is no crime move along.

Get rid of qualified immunity and introduce personal liability insurance.

People fighting for rights is why we have Bruen

Nobody

Ask Elizabeth Jennings

 

[Afrikeber]

Well their

These people work in this building every day, this is their second home, this situation was abnormal to them, they didn’t respond unreasonably.

edit: I agree with Sundazes, the guy is an ass.

Well their perceived second home is actually the property of Maryland taxpayers so their perception and reaction is due to their own ignorance of public property and the rights of Americans.

 

[Garet Jax]

Well their

Well their perceived second home is actually the property of Maryland taxpayers so their perception and reaction is due to their own ignorance of public property and the rights of Americans.

Yup. It begs the question. If I am legally videoing and people start freaking out, am I causing the disturbance or are they when they cause hysteria by calling the police?

Is this the same as yelling "Fire" in a crowded theatre?

 

[outrider58]

Because the courts have issued over 5 million Arrest warrants, and Police are ordered to look for FUGITIVES.
There is no requirement for someone 'to break a law' in the presence of the officer. Requesting ID to check for wants/warrants is a reasonable thing for 330,000,000 people who are not criminals.

Next, because of thousands of issues, police are REQUIRED by courts to DOCUMENT every interaction with the public.

Officers are supposed to report the names, races, ages and descriptions of people they interview as witnesses, complainants, suspects, and detainees. TO THE COURTS, per dozens of CONSENT DECREES in places like Baltimore, Chicago, DC, etc.

Every incident is an investigation.

Example- someone is 'acting suspiciously' on Tuesday at the Merrifield Post Office.
A week later, police are informed of two sexual assaults and an attempted kidnapping near that spot.

Detectives check for investigative stops- field notes- over the past 30 days, looking for suspects.
(The rape and murder in Harford Co. Sexual assault on the C&O. Someone harasses your mother at Costco)

People don't realize, most police will run the tag of any car that they are behind for the same reason. It's their job to find criminals.

Ask Elizabeth Jennings

 

[traveller]

Because the courts have issued over 5 million Arrest warrants, and Police are ordered to look for FUGITIVES.
There is no requirement for someone 'to break a law' in the presence of the officer. Requesting ID to check for wants/warrants is a reasonable thing for 330,000,000 people who are not criminals.

That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works

 

[BurkeM]

That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works

How what works?

 

[Biggfoot44]

Ask Elizabeth Jennings

The Victorian Poet ?

 

[Batt816]

Well their

Well their perceived second home is actually the property of Maryland taxpayers so their perception and reaction is due to their own ignorance of public property and the rights of Americans.

Yep, and so are state vehicles, heavy equipment, dump trucks, and so on. Maybe this guy should pull up on a traffic stop while a trooper is out of his cruiser and open the cruiser door and start filming. Or he could go walking about a highway project and step in front of a piece of heavy equipment to film, after all it is taxpayers property.
He is a fvcking drama queen looking for clicks. Fvck him, he doesn’t help anyone, he causes unnecessary drama.

 

[rseymorejr]

Well their

Well their perceived second home is actually the property of Maryland taxpayers so their perception and reaction is due to their own ignorance of public property and the rights of Americans.

They don't want anybody filming them looking at facebook, instagram, Maryland Shooters and playing wordle and sudoko on their computers while they are "working"
LOL

 

[rseymorejr]

People don't realize, most police will run the tag of any car that they are behind for the same reason. It's their job to find criminals.

A lot of them have automatic tag readers that make that easier. But the tags are the property of the state and in plain sight in public so they;re fair game.

 

[Biggfoot44]

People don't realize, most police will run the tag of any car that they are behind for the same reason. It's their job to find criminals.

Not the same thing .

License Plates are inherently in full clear view at all time , visible to all .

 

[Biggfoot44]

They don't want anybody filming them looking at facebook, instagram, Maryland Shooters and playing wordle and sudoko on their computers while they are "working"
LOL

Don't forget playing Chess .

 

[Nobody]

Yep, and so are state vehicles, heavy equipment, dump trucks, and so on. Maybe this guy should pull up on a traffic stop while a trooper is out of his cruiser and open the cruiser door and start filming. Or he could go walking about a highway project and step in front of a piece of heavy equipment to film, after all it is taxpayers property.

The trooper should lock his car upon leaving it but filming the car and the trooper from public space is not illegal.

Filming the highway project from public spaces also not illegal, stepping in front of the equipment could be illegal although I am not sure by which statute.

Freedom sure is scary.

Nobody