List of FFL's doing SN engraving

[dant98]

For those with Polymer / Printed lowers/receivers...
I haven't pursued this yet, but Browne Works, Inc. out of Pasadena apparently will affix and engrave a plate to your frame w/ ATF compliant serialization.

About

I have been around firearms all my life and have been involved with shooting sports for many years. I appreciate the craftsmanship that goes into the form and function of a fine firearm. I believe when you buy a firearm, it is an extension of yourself whether it is for sport or protection. The...

browneworks.com

 

[Blue Customworks]

UPCOMING 80% SERIALIZING EVENTS
(ATF and MD complaint)

Hello everyone, I’m Alejandro with Blue Customworks and I’m a type 7 FFL manufacturer offering laser serializing services (ATF and MD Compliant).

I’ll be serializing at the following designated gun events if you would like to bring your 80%’s:
*We can also schedule an appointment at my shop in Finksburg, MD if you prefer.

Associated Gun Clubs of Maryland (AGC Range):
Sat 10/1 10:30AM-5:30PM
Sun 10/2 11AM-3:30PM
Tue 10/4 3PM-7PM
Hosted by Arlington Rifle and Pistol Club
*Open to the public
https://agcrange.org/
https://www.arlingtonrpc.com/

Serializing Pricing:
1-4 Guns: $45 each
5 or more Guns: $40 each
*AGC Badge holders get $5 discount per gun and 10% of proceeds are donated to the AGC.
*NFA Engravings: same pricing.
*I accept card and cash.

*Bring friends and family to combine theirs for pricing. They have to come in person with gov issued photo ID.

Please Bring:
-Gov issued photo ID
-Guns unloaded with upper/slide removed (stocks can stay on)

They take 10 mins each.
If you come to one of the AGC events: You can drop them off with me then go shoot at the range or come back later to pick them up.

Feel free to contact me with questions.

Thanks

“A frame or a receiver marked in this manner (ATF Method) by a manufacturer or importer need not be registered with the Maryland State Police.” -Maryland Shall Issue
https://www.marylandshallissue.org/jmain/information/privately-made-firearms-in-maryland

***We are conducting doing HQL/Wear and Carry Courses if you or someone you know need one.

We still have seats available for our *Oct 8-9 Class in Finksburg, MD. Email me if you want to sign up.
Wear and Carry 10/8-9 $350 (HQL included free if needed)
HQL Only 10/8 $125

Alejandro Schubert
Owner & Artist
Blue Customworks
Finksburg, MD
Cerakote – Laser Engraving
P80-80% Lower Serializing – NFA Engraving
FFL Type 7 Manufacturer
info@bluecustomworks.us
Mobile: (301) 742-4428
Instagram, Facebook, Gun Broker search: Blue Customworks
Website coming soon.

 

[drewhall]

Devil Dog Laser Engraving was easy to deal with, quick to respond, and had them done quickly. Would highly recommend if you're in the SOMD area.

 

[Blue Customworks]

80% Serializing at the Timonium Gun Show Oct 15 &16

Hello everyone, I'm an FFL manufacturer and I will be laser engraving ATF/MSP compliant serial numbers on 80% guns at the Timonium Gun Show Oct 15 and 16.

Timonium Fairgrounds

2200 York Rd Timonium, MD 21093 (Just off exit 17 of I-83) 600 Tables Open to the Public Saturday 9am to 4pm Sunday 9am to 3pm Admission is $8.00 a day for anyone 12 and up Parking is Free

www.thegunshows.com

Feel free to contact me with questions or if you prefer to schedule an appointment at my workshop in Finksburg, MD.

Alejandro Schubert
Owner & Artist
Blue Customworks
P80-80% Lower (ATF/MSP Compliant) Serializing
NFA Engraving - Custom Laser Engraving/Stippling – Custom Cerakote
FFL Type 7 Manufacturer
info@bluecustomworks.us
Mobile: (301) 742-4428
Instagram, Facebook, Gun Broker: Blue Customworks
Website coming soon.

 

[aervin]

Just had some lowers engraved by Alejandro, highly recommend, especially since he brings his setup to ranges/shows for your convenience.

 

[Stoveman]

*clears throat*

United States v. Price

Judge Finds Right to Remove Serial Numbers From Guns https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/10/supreme-court-ghost-guns-serial-number-clarence-thomas.html The really good news is that this case is from WV, which is in the 4th Circuit.

www.mdshooters.com

 

[ironpony]

*clears throat*

United States v. Price

Judge Finds Right to Remove Serial Numbers From Guns https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/10/supreme-court-ghost-guns-serial-number-clarence-thomas.html The really good news is that this case is from WV, which is in the 4th Circuit.

www.mdshooters.com

haha, yeah this kinda sucks for some. Is there a "Duty to Inform" ? j/k.

 

[pcfixer]

haha, yeah this kinda sucks for some. Is there a "Duty to Inform" ? j/k.

Duty to Inform. US vs Price Case 2:22-cr-00097 Document 48 Filed 10/12/22


Quoted from TEXT
"The Government makes no attempt to explain how any of these limits are analogous to Section 922(k)’s prohibition on possessing a firearm without a serial number, and I find no apparent analogue. Firearms with no serial number are just as “bearable” as the same firearm with a serial number, and there is no “common use” issue here as the presence or lack of a serial number makes no difference with respect to whether the type of weapon is Case 2:22-cr-00097
Document 48 Filed 10/12/22 Page 13 of 20 PageID #: 251 14
commonly used. Finally, I can find no authority for the idea that a firearm without a serial number would meet the historical definition of a dangerous or unusual firearm. In fact, as the Government points out, the commercial requirement that a serial number be placed on a firearm “does not impair the use or functioning of a weapon in any way.”

 

[Blue Customworks]

Just had some lowers engraved by Alejandro, highly recommend, especially since he brings his setup to ranges/shows for your convenience.

Hi aervin, thank you for your kind words and for your business. If you need anything in the future, I'll be happy to help.

 

[dblas]

Duty to Inform. US vs Price Case 2:22-cr-00097 Document 48 Filed 10/12/22


Quoted from TEXT
"The Government makes no attempt to explain how any of these limits are analogous to Section 922(k)’s prohibition on possessing a firearm without a serial number, and I find no apparent analogue. Firearms with no serial number are just as “bearable” as the same firearm with a serial number, and there is no “common use” issue here as the presence or lack of a serial number makes no difference with respect to whether the type of weapon is Case 2:22-cr-00097
Document 48 Filed 10/12/22 Page 13 of 20 PageID #: 251 14
commonly used. Finally, I can find no authority for the idea that a firearm without a serial number would meet the historical definition of a dangerous or unusual firearm. In fact, as the Government points out, the commercial requirement that a serial number be placed on a firearm “does not impair the use or functioning of a weapon in any way.”

Doesn't affect Maryland (yet), different state. If it goes to the 4th Circuit and is upheld, then it can be used directly in Maryland, but only for altered serial numbers. Not sure how it would apply to the current law.

 

[pcfixer]

Doesn't affect Maryland (yet), different state. If it goes to the 4th Circuit and is upheld, then it can be used directly in Maryland, but only for altered serial numbers. Not sure how it would apply to the current law.

Agree that this doesn't affect Md (yet). Agree if or when the 4th Circuit upholds---we'll see my friend.
But only for altered serial numbers the judge in this court is clearly disagreement--therefore unconstitutional.

Quoted from the TEXT in US vs Price..

As for its argument that restrictions on certain types of weapons are constitutional, the Government starts and stops by explaining that the Court in Heller acknowledged three permissible limits: the firearms must be “bearable arms” to receive protection, the arms must not be “dangerous or unusual weapons,” and the arms must be kinds in “common use.” [ECF No. 17, at 12–13]. The Government makes no attempt to explain how any of these limits are analogous to Section 922(k)’s prohibition on possessing a firearm without a serial number, and I find no apparent analogue.
Firearms with no serial number are just as “bearable” as the same firearm with a serial number, and there is no “common use” issue here as the presence or lack of a serial number makes no difference with respect to whether the type of weapon is
Case 2:22-cr-00097 Document 48 Filed 10/12/22 Page 13 of 20 PageID #: 251 14
commonly used. Finally, I can find no authority for the idea that a firearm without a serial number would meet the historical definition of a dangerous or unusual firearm. In fact, as the Government points out, the commercial requirement that a serial number be placed on a firearm “does not impair the use or functioning of a weapon in any way.” [ECF No. 17, at 12 (quoting Marzzarella, 614 F.3d at 94)]. The mechanics of the firearm—with or without a serial number—are the same. A firearm without a serial number in 1791 was certainly not considered dangerous or unusual compared to other firearms because serial numbers were not required or even commonly used at that time. While I recognize there is an argument, not made by the Government here, that firearms with an obliterated serial number are likely to be used in violent crime and therefore a prohibition on their possession is desirable, that argument is the exact type of means-end reasoning the Supreme Court has forbidden me from considering. And the founders addressed the “societal problem” of non-law-abiding citizens possessing firearms through “materially different means”—felon disarmament laws like Section 922(g)(1). Bruen, 142 S. Ct

PMF without serial number either pistols or rifles are common use! Or did I miss something?

It is therefore HMO that the SB381 Md law unconstitutional on its face.

Privately Made Firearms in Maryland

Last updated 3/3/23In 2022, the Maryland General Assembly passed HB425 and SB387, bills that criminalize the possession of unserialized firearms (aka "ghost guns" or "privately made firearms") starting on March 1st, 2023 (in effect now).HB425 and SB387 become effective in two parts:-Starting on...

www.marylandshallissue.org

• An attack on the constitutionality of a statute can be a claim that the statute is unconstitutional on its face, is unconstitutional as applied, or both. A statute is unconstitutional on its face when its wording is unconstitutional.

 

[dblas]

Agree that this doesn't affect Md (yet). Agree if or when the 4th Circuit upholds---we'll see my friend.
But only for altered serial numbers the judge in this court is clearly disagreement--therefore unconstitutional.

Quoted from the TEXT in US vs Price..

As for its argument that restrictions on certain types of weapons are constitutional, the Government starts and stops by explaining that the Court in Heller acknowledged three permissible limits: the firearms must be “bearable arms” to receive protection, the arms must not be “dangerous or unusual weapons,” and the arms must be kinds in “common use.” [ECF No. 17, at 12–13]. The Government makes no attempt to explain how any of these limits are analogous to Section 922(k)’s prohibition on possessing a firearm without a serial number, and I find no apparent analogue.
Firearms with no serial number are just as “bearable” as the same firearm with a serial number, and there is no “common use” issue here as the presence or lack of a serial number makes no difference with respect to whether the type of weapon is
Case 2:22-cr-00097 Document 48 Filed 10/12/22 Page 13 of 20 PageID #: 251 14
commonly used. Finally, I can find no authority for the idea that a firearm without a serial number would meet the historical definition of a dangerous or unusual firearm. In fact, as the Government points out, the commercial requirement that a serial number be placed on a firearm “does not impair the use or functioning of a weapon in any way.” [ECF No. 17, at 12 (quoting Marzzarella, 614 F.3d at 94)]. The mechanics of the firearm—with or without a serial number—are the same. A firearm without a serial number in 1791 was certainly not considered dangerous or unusual compared to other firearms because serial numbers were not required or even commonly used at that time. While I recognize there is an argument, not made by the Government here, that firearms with an obliterated serial number are likely to be used in violent crime and therefore a prohibition on their possession is desirable, that argument is the exact type of means-end reasoning the Supreme Court has forbidden me from considering. And the founders addressed the “societal problem” of non-law-abiding citizens possessing firearms through “materially different means”—felon disarmament laws like Section 922(g)(1). Bruen, 142 S. Ct

PMF without serial number either pistols or rifles are common use! Or did I miss something?

Nope, you didn't miss anything.

It is therefore HMO that the SB381 Md law unconstitutional on its face.

Privately Made Firearms in Maryland

Last updated 3/3/23In 2022, the Maryland General Assembly passed HB425 and SB387, bills that criminalize the possession of unserialized firearms (aka "ghost guns" or "privately made firearms") starting on March 1st, 2023 (in effect now).HB425 and SB387 become effective in two parts:-Starting on...

www.marylandshallissue.org

• An attack on the constitutionality of a statute can be a claim that the statute is unconstitutional on its face, is unconstitutional as applied, or both. A statute is unconstitutional on its face when its wording is unconstitutional.

Yep, on it's face, but that law still needs to be challenged in Maryland and found the same using the same logic as the Judge in WV did. Would a Federal District Judge in Maryland find the same way? I sure hope so. The guidance is pretty clear to you and me, but there are those that believe SCOTUS got it wrong and may decide to skirt the edge of the Bruen ruling. The outcome of that is that it goes to the 4th Circuit and they decide, which it would anyway given that absolutely no one will settle for a Federal District ruling against them for either side.

Now the question, how do we mount a challenge without having someone violate the law?

 

[ironpony]

Duty to Inform. US vs Price Case 2:22-cr-00097 Document 48 Filed 10/12/22


Quoted from TEXT
"The Government makes no attempt to explain how any of these limits are analogous to Section 922(k)’s prohibition on possessing a firearm without a serial number, and I find no apparent analogue. Firearms with no serial number are just as “bearable” as the same firearm with a serial number, and there is no “common use” issue here as the presence or lack of a serial number makes no difference with respect to whether the type of weapon is Case 2:22-cr-00097
Document 48 Filed 10/12/22 Page 13 of 20 PageID #: 251 14
commonly used. Finally, I can find no authority for the idea that a firearm without a serial number would meet the historical definition of a dangerous or unusual firearm. In fact, as the Government points out, the commercial requirement that a serial number be placed on a firearm “does not impair the use or functioning of a weapon in any way.”

I was thinking more in spirit of the thread title, FFL's duty to inform firearm owners before marking up their art work.

But as pointed out, MD is not included, "The Song Remains the Same".

 

[pcfixer]

The Song Remains the Same"

yep. Led Zeppelin sang...
I had a dream, oh yeah
Crazy dream, oh ho
Anything I wanted to know
Any place I needed to go
Hear my song, yeah
People, won't you listen now?
Sing along, oh

 

[Trappemann]

Who would have the audacity to challenge such a common sense law?

Aren't we used-to, and okee-dokee with the idjits in Annapolis making us common criminals on a daily basis?

Consider the fact that most of them cannot construct a basic sentence, and are merely forwarding bills that are handed to them by Bloomberg, Soros and the like.

I do not know if we will EVER have as good a chance at stopping this over-reach as we have right now.

There are, apparently, a few judges who can read. Even a Clinton appointee who accedes to the intent of 2A and its breadth "back when".

So how do we get this party started?

 

[Blue Customworks]

80% Serializing at the Frederick, MD Gun Show Nov 12-13
HQL + Wear and Carry Classes also available (see below)

Hello everyone, I'm an FFL manufacturer and firearms instructor. I will be laser engraving ATF/MSP compliant serial numbers on 80% guns at the Frederick Gun Show Nov 12-13. MSP requires all 80% firearms be marked with an ATF compliant serial number by March 1, 2023.

Frederick Fairgrounds
797 E Patrick St
Frederick, MD 21701

Saturday: 9:00am - 4:00pm
Sunday: 9:00am - 3:00pm

Serializing Pricing:
1-4 guns: $45 each
5-9 guns: $40 each
10 or more guns: $35 each
*NFA Engravings: same pricing.

*Bring friends and family to combine theirs for pricing. They have to come in person.
*I accept card and cash.

*Each gun takes about 7 mins.

Please Bring:
-Gov issued photo ID
-Guns unloaded
-AR’s: please remove the upper, stock can stay on.
-Pistols: please remove the slide
-Internals can stay on all guns, no problem.

PLEASE READ (thanks):
*I do all serializations on Personally Manufactured Firearm (PMFs) in accordance with ATF guidelines (per ATF Rule ATF Rule 2021r-05F). These guidelines (ATF method) are the only accepted method by MSP as of Aug 24, 2022.
*MSP requires all firearms in Maryland have a serial number by Mar 1, 2023.
*It is the customer’s responsibility on knowing whether they can legally own their firearms.
*MSP does NOT require PMFs serialized the ATF way to be registered with MSP, but they do encourage it.
*An HQL is NOT required to voluntarily register your PMFs with MSP.
*The serial number must be engraved on a metal surface (Polymer PMFs MUST have an imbedded metal plate from the factory). I do NOT have the ability to install metal plates, nor I can serialize plates installed after the fact.
*The first 8 digits of the serial number identify my FFL followed by a – and a unique number to that gun (can include letters).
*Clients can pick their portion of the serial number (between 3 and 10 digits) as long as I have never used them before. You can email me your choices or tell me during our appointment.
*NFA items: client has to wait (drop-off and pick up later are NOT an option for NFA items).
*In my FFL Bound Book I record: name, address, county, email, phone, and gun info.
*The record stays with me in my bound book, are NOT submitted to government database, but are subject to review by the ATF, State/Local Police upon request.

“A frame or a receiver marked in this manner (ATF Method) by a manufacturer or importer need not be registered with the Maryland State Police.” -Maryland Shall Issue
https://www.marylandshallissue.org/jmain/information/privately-made-firearms-in-maryland

After your serializations, I will email you the following 4 documents for your records.
-Copy of your PMFs record in my FFL Bound Book.
-Copy of my FFL
-Guide to register your PMFs with MSP if you want to. This is optional.
-Screenshot of email I received from MSP confirming MD residents are not required to register PMFs serialized to federal standards).

HQL and Wear and Carry Classes:
*I still have availability for my classes on Nov 19-20 and Dec 17-18.
Wear and Carry Class Cost is $250 per student.
HQL Class Cost: $125
$25 discount for each guest you bring to class with you.

If you can't make it to the show, you can schedule an appointment with me at my workshop in Finksburg, MD.

Feel free to contact me with questions.

Blue Customworks
Alejandro Schubert, Owner & Artist
P80-80% Lower Serializing (ATF/MSP Compliant)
NFA Engraving - Custom Laser Engraving
Custom Cerakote
Wear and Carry, HQL Classes
NRA Certified and MSP QHIC Certified Firearms Instructor
FFL Type 7 Manufacturer
info@bluecustomworks.us
Mobile: (301) 742-4428
Instagram, Facebook, Gun Broker: Blue Customworks
Website coming soon.

 

[sygata]

In case anybody else needs it, I put all the places listed as performing marking services on MSPD website on the map:

Federal Firearms Licensees Providing Maryland Mandated Marking Services - Google My Maps

Built 11/09/2022 based on https://mdsp.maryland.gov/Organization/Licensing%20Division%20Documents/FFL_Marking_Service_Providers.pdf

www.google.com

 

[Sundancer]

Loper Machine, Harford County, no issues, will place mark were you want it (within guidlines). Reasonably priced at $45 per. Mark is minimum requirements and really not that bad. (Not bad… not withstanding the fact that we have to this to avoid prison time.

+1 for Loper Machining - did a great job, timely and super pleasant to deal with.


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[fabsroman]

Just had some lowers engraved by Alejandro, highly recommend, especially since he brings his setup to ranges/shows for your convenience.

A friend of mine had a bunch engraved by him back in mid to late August. They look pretty good.

 

[Blue Customworks]

80% Serial # Engraving at the Howard County Gun Show Dec 10 & 11

MSP requires all 80% firearms be marked with an ATF compliant serial number by March 1, 2023.

Howard County Fairgrounds
2210 Fairgrounds Rd
West Friendship MD

Saturday: 9:00am - 4:00pm
Sunday: 9:00am - 3:00pm

Serializing Pricing:
1-4 guns: $45 each
5-9 guns: $40 each
10 or more guns: $35 each
*NFA Engravings: same pricing.

*Bring friends and family to combine theirs for pricing. They have to come in person.
*I accept card and cash.
*Each gun takes about 7 mins.

Please Bring:
-Gov issued photo ID
-Guns unloaded
-AR’s: please remove the upper, stock can stay on.
-Pistols: please remove the slide
-Internals can stay on all guns, no problem.

Feel free to contact me with questions or if you prefer to schedule an appointment.
info@bluecustomworks.us