HPRB November 1, 2016 Meeting Thread

[Schipperke]

Ha! Montoya went in with the applicant as counsel. No apparent objections.

He's an attorney?

 

[W2D]

This is the first applicant in closed session??

 

[LCPIWB]

Circus back in open session..

 

[Stoveman]

is the current applicant in closed session a member here?

Yes.

He was denied, the details will make you sick.

 

[Stoveman]

Stoveman... Check your INBOX...

Got it, will reply when I get home. Thx.

 

[Stoveman]

He's an attorney?

Who said you have to be counselled by an attorney?

 

[redeemed.man]

Yes.

He was denied, the details will make you sick.

Any chance he will share the details?

 

[LCPIWB]

West should recuse herself. It could be seen as squishing the competition if she is to vote.

 

[Silent Partner]

This is obscene, SoS get the peasants to jump through hoops to help protect us from what ?
The MSP should have better things to do. Just give the man his unrestricted permit and go do it.

 

[Hattie]

That was an amazingly articulate and well-prepared presentation.

 

[W2D]

That was an amazingly articulate and well-prepared presentation.

Just need a qualified lawyer to answer the questions.

 

[Hattie]

So, is it your testimony, Trooper, that each and every officer within the state of Maryland who might stop the applicant for any given reason on any given day is knowledgeable of his alleged ability to contact MSP for clarification on restrictions; actually has the ability to make such contact 24 hours a day seven days a week and actually reach a knowledgeable person; and is under an obligation to take those steps before making an arrest?

 

[Hattie]

And doesn't your acknowledgement that such a contact might ever have to be made actually prove that the restriction in question is vague and ambiguous?

 

[Hattie]

And now the suggestion that the Board stick to facts and not concern itself with legal standards?

What?

 

[Stoveman]

West is a dope. Her bias is clearly showing.

 

[Silent Partner]

I disagree with JV Lawyer on ambiguity of good & substantial I say issue the unrestricted permit to force the legislature to clearly define G & S

 

[Hattie]

Intent to conduct classes alone should be enough. Otherwise he has all the risks and no protection until he does as many classes as MSP thinks is "enough."

 

[GTOGUNNER]

That's BS... I applied as an instructor NRA and Maryland Certified and asked for my restrictions to be removed. I was told NO at during an informal interview. This trooper said he wouldn't have a problem giving an unrestricted permit To MX. , if they had the info. Double Standards for sure, but the Trooper was under oath... so I can use that...

 

[CypherPunk]

That's BS... I applied as an instructor NRA and Maryland Certified and asked for my restrictions to be removed. I was told NO at during an informal interview. This trooper said he wouldn't have a problem giving an unrestricted permit To MX. , if they had the info. Double Standards for sure, but the Trooper was under oath... so I can use that...

Your problem was you relied on the advice and integrity of a Maryland State Trooper.

 

[Mark75H]

At this meeting the Trooper clearly said they would NOT