Governor Hogan, Change Maryland and CCW

[Jim12]

Some of us do realize Hogan's limitations..He can do nothing that the GA cannot undo however in the case of concealed carry he has quite a bit of power thanks to the way the law was written. Sure the GA can go behind him and pass a law requiring MAY ISSUE which could put the argument back before the court which is exactly where we need it to be...But before that could happen thousands of us could finally get a permit...Hogan just refuses to do so...

And that would be more than enough ammunition for the Dem's to make gun control the next gubernatorial campaign issue #1 and GUARANTEE that he won't be reelected, to be replaced by the AG or somebody equally or more anti-2A.

Some of you guys seem to think that everything done by R's in this state isn't scrutinized under a magnifying glass by the D's for its political usefulness, and that when R's don't do something that is deemed sufficient, the D's try to bait them or set a trap. Do you know how many times they've already tried to get Hogan to make it sound as though he favors Trump, for a sound bite, even though he's said 100 times that he's not getting involved in the Presidential race in any way, shape, or form?

There seems to be a stunning amount of political naivety to some of these discussions about Hogan and what he can do in Maryland without losing his precariously-held position. Popularity notwithstanding. That can change overnight with the right issue and a barrage of media. It's not a monarchy and he's not a monarch.

 

[ShoreShooter]

I say this as a life-long registered Republican, and committed Conservative:

1) Hogan is imperfect many ways beyond 2A
2) He will continue to receive a lot of Rep cheerleading from Reps, just because he is a Rep. As with all politics, sometimes for some people it is all about "jobs for the boys" as the Irish used to say. Political jobs for the loyal. The Party Faithful are now employed by the State.
3) He gets a certain amount of support overall, just because he isn't O'Malley.
4) Hogan is a registered Rep who spends like a Dem. Yes, he has a made a few fiscal headline grabbing moves that allow him to claim to be fiscally responsible with a straight face. But overall, is MD really doing anything materially different on the spending front? Hell no.
5) Hogan really isn't doing anything to rein in the extraordinary over-reach by the rabid environmentalists. If anything, he continues to pander to them.
6) Hogan has had a chance to rein in Civil Asset Forfeiture, though he has Dem support for this. This is a constitutional abomination he could have addressed but has not.

OK, he has indeed addressed the worst of O'Malley with his Rain Tax. But that one was easy, the lowest hanging fruit anywhere in any State. And the excessive Bridge tolls. Also easy.

But beyond that, he is pretty much a smiling and likable chap occupying a seat and handing out jobs to Rep faithful who are NOT going to press him to actually do something useful.

I would not hold my breath waiting for him to act on any 2A issues.

So the next time around should you vote for him? With all his MANY faults, and they are numerous, we will still have to ask ourselves whether we want him or the Dem du jour in his seat. Odds are we will still be better off with him, but time will tell. And KNOWS that as well as anyone.

 

[Biggfoot44]

Looking at it afterwards, it was a little tangled.

Anti- Override margin - Have enough votes to keep M&M from overriding a veto on something that needed killing. This is concievable.

Own - Have majority in each House to control the procedures, bring desirable Bills to floor votes, and pass them. Have a Redistricting and 40% turnover of the electorate, and we can discuss it.


Kind of like the difference between a driver education car with dual controls, and the low bidder version that only has emergency brake on the instructor's side. It's better to be able to slam on the brakes at the last second than not. But not the same thing as being able to have control over starting, turning, and stopping.

 

[RoadDawg]

Because sometimes principles are more important than politics...Nothing NOTHING matters more than our ability to defend ourselves, our families and our freedom. If Hogan won't step up on 2A issues than to me he is as useless as any democrat...at least with Frosh or any other democrat they have the balls to tell us where they stand on the issue...There isn't a whole lot more they can do to further erode gun rights in the state...Frankly the only thing they could really do is to make sale and/or possession of firearms a crime and that's not going to happen without bloodshed...Liberals don't have the balls for that..

You do understand the concept of a dam. Correct?

You must realize that a "political dam" which holds back the flood of anti gun laws and policies, many times, is just as valuable to our survival as a crusader. And sometimes more so as it stifles the ability of the left to complete their agenda.

Hogan is one such "dam". And while we regroup and attempt to find ways to keep our heads above water... He is effectively keeping the floods at bay.

But go ahead and do what you will to cause him harm. You will save your principles. But then when he loses to the lefttards... WE all drown in their agenda. And they will LOVE dumping it all over us.

 

[BeoBill]

Looking at it afterwards, it was a little tangled.

Anti- Override margin - Have enough votes to keep M&M from overriding a veto on something that needed killing. This is concievable.

Own - Have majority in each House to control the procedures, bring desirable Bills to floor votes, and pass them. Have a Redistricting and 40% turnover of the electorate, and we can discuss it.


Kind of like the difference between a driver education car with dual controls, and the low bidder version that only has emergency brake on the instructor's side. It's better to be able to slam on the brakes at the last second than not. But not the same thing as being able to have control over starting, turning, and stopping.

If we have an anti-override majority in EITHER House we effectively own, because we can make it too expensive in terms of political capital cost for the adversary to negate our votes.

 

[Muleskinner]

And that would be more than enough ammunition for the Dem's to make gun control the next gubernatorial campaign issue #1 and GUARANTEE that he won't be reelected, to be replaced by the AG or somebody equally or more anti-2A.

Some of you guys seem to think that everything done by R's in this state isn't scrutinized under a magnifying glass by the D's for its political usefulness, and that when R's don't do something that is deemed sufficient, the D's try to bait them or set a trap. Do you know how many times they've already tried to get Hogan to make it sound as though he favors Trump, for a sound bite, even though he's said 100 times that he's not getting involved in the Presidential race in any way, shape, or form?

There seems to be a stunning amount of political naivety to some of these discussions about Hogan and what he can do in Maryland without losing his precariously-held position. Popularity notwithstanding. That can change overnight with the right issue and a barrage of media. It's not a monarchy and he's not a monarch.

So? What would be the real difference? How much more can they do? What has Hogan done for the state that is so wonderful?

 

[Muleskinner]

You do understand the concept of a dam. Correct?

You must realize that a "political dam" which holds back the flood of anti gun laws and policies, many times, is just as valuable to our survival as a crusader. And sometimes more so as it stifles the ability of the left to complete their agenda.

Hogan is one such "dam". And while we regroup and attempt to find ways to keep our heads above water... He is effectively keeping the floods at bay.

But go ahead and do what you will to cause him harm. You will save your principles. But then when he loses to the lefttards... WE all drown in their agenda. And they will LOVE dumping it all over us.

Hogan is no dam. Anything the GA wants to pass can still become law and Hogan is powerless to stop it. The only reason they might not decide to override his veto is if they think it could be politically damaging to their party. If Hogan is anything he is a sieve...he can slow the process but he in no way can stop it. The law governing concealed carry in Maryland is written in such a way that Hogan has defacto control over the definition of G&S because he controls the state police. It is the one area he has some power over. Sure the GA could come back and write a legal definition of it into law...which could then be challenged in court...which is exactly what we need...why is this so hard for people to understand??

 

[Alphabrew]

Seems like this Florida thing is G&S, is it not? Clear evidence that ISIS is here and wants to do us harm.

 

[eruby]

Seems like this Florida thing is G&S, is it not? Clear evidence that ISIS is here and wants to do us harm.

 

[redeemed.man]

Looking at it afterwards, it was a little tangled.

Anti- Override margin - Have enough votes to keep M&M from overriding a veto on something that needed killing. This is concievable.

Own - Have majority in each House to control the procedures, bring desirable Bills to floor votes, and pass them. Have a Redistricting and 40% turnover of the electorate, and we can discuss it.


Kind of like the difference between a driver education car with dual controls, and the low bidder version that only has emergency brake on the instructor's side. It's better to be able to slam on the brakes at the last second than not. But not the same thing as being able to have control over starting, turning, and stopping.

The best thing that could happen for our chances to hold the governor's seat in the next election is that Hogan does not run for re-election. He should step aside and allow Lt. Governor Rutherford to run and we may just get 8 more years of a Republican Governor. Hogan will likely lose anyway at which point he will have ruined Rutherford's chances of ever being Governor.

 

[Muleskinner]

Seems like this Florida thing is G&S, is it not? Clear evidence that ISIS is here and wants to do us harm.

Only if you are a member of the LGBT community...If I were gay I would be applying today and daring the state to deny me...

 

[Alphabrew]

https://twitter.com/BrianFrosh/status/742352348153012224

 

[RoadDawg]

Hogan is no dam. Anything the GA wants to pass can still become law and Hogan is powerless to stop it. The only reason they might not decide to override his veto is if they think it could be politically damaging to their party. If Hogan is anything he is a sieve...he can slow the process but he in no way can stop it. The law governing concealed carry in Maryland is written in such a way that Hogan has defacto control over the definition of G&S because he controls the state police. It is the one area he has some power over. Sure the GA could come back and write a legal definition of it into law...which could then be challenged in court...which is exactly what we need...why is this so hard for people to understand??

Did you miss the fact that Hogan is no antigun crusader, as was his predecessor in the house and competitor in the last race?

But feel free to allow another crusader to get in there, because you don't have exactly what you want. It will serve us all well.

 

[RoadDawg]

https://twitter.com/BrianFrosh/status/742352348153012224

Well it would be common sense to STOP BLAMING THE GUN!

 

[Muleskinner]

Did you miss the fact that Hogan is no antigun crusader, as was his predecessor in the house and competitor in the last race?

But feel free to allow another crusader to get in there, because you don't have exactly what you want. It will serve us all well.

Prove it....show me where Hogan is not anti 2A...Being vocally anti 2A isn't a requirement...actions speak louder than words...There is more evidence that he is anti than pro....

 

[fidelity]

https://twitter.com/BrianFrosh/status/742352348153012224

Would love to see Pink Pistols of Maryland (if this regional group exists) respond to his feed that a common sense, first step would be considering self-defense to fulfill the G&S standard for concealed carry.

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[ironpony]

I don't want to jump in the middle of anything here but,
I heard Hogan's wife (Family) is an anti 2A type and I believe "Family" comes first right?
He now has retirement, armed guards, and health insurance for life (I think) so I'd be damned to think he really wants to spend retirement on the couch!
Just a thought.

 

[RoadDawg]

Prove it....show me where Hogan is not anti 2A...Being vocally anti 2A isn't a requirement...actions speak louder than words...There is more evidence that he is anti than pro....

Why so obtuse?
• No more requirement for a spent shell casing. It was a stumbling block for every new pistol sold in this state... Gone.

• No more requirement for new fingerprints for CCW renewal. A financial and effort burden on all current CCW holders... Gone.

No... These are not earth shattering developments. But, they are also NOT the actions of a person who is Anti-2A. The Anti-2A person will pay extra of their own money to maintain those two infringements. He got rid of them.

Brown would NEVER have let those go... And he would right at this very minute be banging on the table in the MGA... DEMANDING new gun bans because of Orlando.

You're welcome to your opinion like anyone else... But, be honest about it and stop exaggerating. Hogan may be on the fence like many others. But to date, he's done nothing which shows him to be any rabid anti 2A governor. I see him as ambivalent at worst... Pragmatic at best. But anti? Not hardly...

 

[Muleskinner]

Why so obtuse?
• No more requirement for a spent shell casing. It was a stumbling block for every new pistol sold in this state... Gone.

• No more requirement for new fingerprints for CCW renewal. A financial and effort burden on all current CCW holders... Gone.

No... These are not earth shattering developments. But, they are also NOT the actions of a person who is Anti-2A. The Anti-2A person will pay extra of their own money to maintain those two infringements. He got rid of them.

Brown would NEVER have let those go... And he would right at this very minute be banging on the table in the MGA... DEMANDING new gun bans because of Orlando.

You're welcome to your opinion like anyone else... But, be honest about it and stop exaggerating. Hogan may be on the fence like many others. But to date, he's done nothing which shows him to be any rabid anti 2A governor. I see him as ambivalent at worst... Pragmatic at best. But anti? Not hardly...

shell casing was eliminated to save money, and had nothing what so ever to do with forwarding 2A issues...at best it was a bone thrown to us...it has a net gain of zero

Fingerprints is a no brainer...they don't change...again, net gain of zero, no actual gun law was changed..


...try again please...

 

[AntiGun]

Would love to see Pink Pistols of Maryland (if this regional group exists) respond to his feed that a common sense, first step would be considering self-defense to fulfill the G&S standard for concealed carry.

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According to their main website no such branch exists in Maryland. Maybe some of our members with connections among the community will help fix that. I'd donate to their local chapter if they open one.