Governor Hogan, Change Maryland and CCW

[dblas]

He knows full well the latitude he has.

IMO, while judicious application is needed, he's being far too careful in exercising it.

While he does, the rest of his followers don't and I like the idea of visual aids to assist his followers, similar to how his social media uses visual aids to frame the conversation, we can do the same.

 

[dblas]

Follow 2AinMD and you would see that the message has been beat like a drum and the public is being educated. You can't educate the public on every aspect of this complex situation in one post or one message. It takes time and that's what has been happening on social media. Hogan's staff is getting the message and they are getting pretty irritated the others know what the governor SHOULD be doing and that is conflicts with the advice they are flooding him with.

I think what gprimr is getting at, is to use visual aid to frame the discussion, much like Hogan's social media team does.

While the pic on the first page is a start, it has no information. And educating the public visually works quicker than typing it out.

 

[Tomcat]

The letter isn't bogus, Hogan's interpretation of the letter is what's bogus.

The letter is 100% accurate in saying MD's governor can not ORDER MSP to change the definition of G&S, because the Superintendant of MSP has sole authority to interpret G&S; nothing bogus about it.

Any day he wants, Hogan can fire Pallosi and interview new candidates for the position and select one that will change G&S to self protection.

There is a big difference between interpret and change. He cannot change G&S, that's written in the law, however there is no definition of it so it can be interpreted however someone sees fit.

 

[Mark75H]

There is a big difference between interpret and change. He cannot change G&S, that's written in the law, however there is no definition of it so it can be interpreted however someone sees fit.

Yeah, semantics ... I meant to say "change the interpretation". G&S as law is determined by the GA, in practice defined by MSP

 

[Applehd]

Since Hogan doesn't seem to be interested in the revenue generation aspect of W&C permits... maybe we should start a campaign for Constitutional Carry...

 

[Straightshooter]

Yeah, semantics ... I meant to say "change the interpretation". G&S as law is determined by the GA, in practice defined by MSP

Not only "in practice". The same law also gives the Secretary (Superintendant) the authority to make that definition.

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[Mr H]

Since Hogan doesn't seem to be interested in the revenue generation aspect of W&C permits... maybe we should start a campaign for Constitutional Carry...

I mentioned that a few weeks back... that a soon-to-retire Critter should put it out there, and maybe THEN we can get people motivated.

I got crickets back.

 

[fightinbluhen51]

While he does, the rest of his followers don't and I like the idea of visual aids to assist his followers, similar to how his social media uses visual aids to frame the conversation, we can do the same.

I think what gprimr is getting at, is to use visual aid to frame the discussion, much like Hogan's social media team does.

While the pic on the first page is a start, it has no information. And educating the public visually works quicker than typing it out.

Same pic listed in this thread but with something like :




Their Oath's

Boss Employee


Duty to discharge Laws Duty to Enforce Existing Law



Then try again.

 

[Bolts Rock]

Ok. Trying to push forward, trying to move forward, trying to do something

Whatever semantics you want. I'd rather keep trying while we have a Republican, even a moderate one, than just give up and be bitter.

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F*ck it, I moved and 6 days later had a permit. I could have had it Day One if I had wanted.

 

[dblas]

Same pic listed in this thread but with something like :




Their Oath's

Boss Employee


Duty to discharge Laws Duty to Enforce Existing Law



Then try again.

Simpler than that, the general public has absolutely no clue what the laws are to discharge and enforce.

 

[ironpony]

IIRC Knaub has said an individual officer can interpret the restrictions on a permit how they seem fit at the time, how is interpreting G & S at a much higher level so difficult. Start taking applications for Pallozi's job and let a little birdie pass the word as to the reason (G&S definition is not right), I bet something changes, I have used this tactic on employees in the past. I may be completely wrong.

 

[Straightshooter]

IIRC Knaub has said an individual officer can interpret the restrictions on a permit how they seem fit at the time, how is interpreting G & S at a much higher level so difficult. Start taking applications for Pallozi's job and let a little birdie pass the word as to the reason (G&S definition is not right), I bet something changes, I have used this tactic on employees in the past. I may be completely wrong.

I'd bet the farm that Palossi is doing exactly as he was instructed when Hogan appointed him, so a threat of being replaced ain't gunna happen.

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[Rhome3]

A problem that we have in Maryland is that we can't criticize our Republican governor. Every time I've seen someone bring up the fact that this doucher hasn't even acknowledged 2A rights in MD, someone inevitably says "Would you much rather have had Brown?". Well that wasn't the question, you stupid ****. I see it come from the 2A organization "leaders" quite often on Facebook or on these forums. I'm getting to the point where I won't even be donating to these organizations soon if I don't see some results. Especially after the thousands I've donated in good faith. It's always one fear tactic after another to gather donations, similar to the NRA fundraising emails I get bombarded with.

 

[TxAggie]

The most effective thing we can do is make Hogan see this as a pocketbook issue. Freeing up MSP resources to track down heroin dealers etc., boosting revenues, and boosting a sense of security around the state. How many places do people avoid in this state for various reasons.

This is actually the best argument I've seen in the past few weeks.

 

[MDFF2008]

A problem that we have in Maryland is that we can't criticize our Republican governor. Every time I've seen someone bring up the fact that this doucher hasn't even acknowledged 2A rights in MD, someone inevitably says "Would you much rather have had Brown?". Well that wasn't the question, you stupid ****. I see it come from the 2A organization "leaders" quite often on Facebook or on these forums. I'm getting to the point where I won't even be donating to these organizations soon if I don't see some results. Especially after the thousands I've donated in good faith. It's always one fear tactic after another to gather donations, similar to the NRA fundraising emails I get bombarded with.

Speaking for myself, I think the main concern is that I want to see constructive criticism.

And you can't deny that if Brown was governor, we prob would not have stopped those gun bills.

 

[moojersey]

Hogan is being a coward and hiding behind a bogus AAG letter. I wrote him a year ago and the response letter I got back said the AG told him he couldn't advise MSP Super to accept Self Defense as G&S.

I'll second this. He is a total coward when it comes to 2A. He has made it abundantly clear he will not take this issue on...as it is a niche issue here in the People's Republic of Maryland.

Hogan is taking after his close mentor Gov. Chris Christie. How is 2A doing back in New Jersey?

 

[Straightshooter]

OH, Wait a minute. I was told this guy was the wrong one to back.

 

[dblas]

A problem that we have in Maryland is that we can't criticize our Republican governor. Every time I've seen someone bring up the fact that this doucher hasn't even acknowledged 2A rights in MD, someone inevitably says "Would you much rather have had Brown?". Well that wasn't the question, you stupid ****. I see it come from the 2A organization "leaders" quite often on Facebook or on these forums. I'm getting to the point where I won't even be donating to these organizations soon if I don't see some results. Especially after the thousands I've donated in good faith. It's always one fear tactic after another to gather donations, similar to the NRA fundraising emails I get bombarded with.

I stuck to my deadline of the beginning of the 2016 session, at which point I have backed off of telling people to hold on. As a matter of fact, I have been one of the ones starting to hammer Hogan more on his FB pages. And I will continue to ratchet up the pressure on him, and encourage everyone else to do the same, politely and respectfully, until we at least get a meeting with the Governor.

Now, if someone says they A) won't vote for Hogan or B) will vote for someone else, then I remind them that it could be worse if it were Brown or another Democrat.

 

[Straightshooter]

I got an email donor request today from Hogan. I sent a reply that there would be no more money sent his way until he addresses the issue of accepting "Personal Defense" as a good and substantial reason to be granted a Permit to Carry a Handgun.

 

[Tomcat]

I got an email donor request today from Hogan. I sent a reply that there would be no more money sent his way until he addresses the issue of accepting "Personal Defense" as a good and substantial reason to be granted a Permit to Carry a Handgun.

I got the same one and was thinking about replying "No 2A = No money but don't know how far if anywhere it would go.