Ban on guns in post offices is unconstitutional, US judge rules

[Dataluss]

Here is a link to the ruling:

https://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/legaldocs/klvydgelepg/01122024ayala.pdf

Thank you.....
I started reading it. But I'll need to finish it off tomorrow. What I read thus far...... EXCELLENT read.....

 

[Occam]

That ruling has some solid depth and references, and tackles straight on the issue of the US (in this case) deliberately trying to take Bruen remarks out of context. Judge calls that what it is, and backs it up.

 

[BurkeM]

Ban on guns in post offices is unconstitutional, US judge rules

https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2024-01-13/ban-on-guns-in-post-offices-is-unconstitutional-us-judge-rules

Note that in MD, firearms are prohibited in government buildings under SB 1.

 

[Phoenix_1295]

Note that in MD, firearms are prohibited in government buildings under SB 1.

For clarification, the provision of Maryland CR 4-111(a)(4)(i), states:

(4) “Government or public infrastructure area” means:
(i) a building or any part of a building owned or leased by a unit of State or local government;

Federal government buildings are covered under federal law.

18 U.S. Code § 930
Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities

39 CFR § 232.1
(l) Weapons and explosives. No person while on postal property may carry firearms, other dangerous or deadly weapons, or explosives, either openly or concealed, or store the same on postal property, except for official purposes.

[edited for typo]

 

[rbird7282]

For clarification, the provision of Maryland CR 4-111(a)(4)(i), states:

(4) “Government or public infrastructure area” means:
(i) a building or any part of a building owned or leased by a unit of State or local government;

Federal government buildings are covered under federal law.

18 U.S. Code § 930
Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities

39 CFR § 232.1
(l) Weapons and explosives. No person while on postal property may carry firearms, other dangerous or deadly weapons, or explosives, either openly or concealed, or store the same on postal property, except for official pur- poses.

This. The state has no control over a federal government building

 

[eruby]

CMC

EBMD

 

[gtodave]

Good. I hate disarming (or going out unarmed) when going to check my PO box.

 

[gtodave]

Never saw a metal detector in a post office.

Mine does. Now who knows if they work or not. It has had a malfunctioning door for like two years now, so their maintenance record is poor.

 

[delaware_export]

How long do they have to file an appeal? deadline?

and how long do you think it will take? To file it…

in 5..4..3..

 

[Mdeng]

Mine does. Now who knows if they work or not. It has had a malfunctioning door for like two years now, so their maintenance record is poor.

Those are probably RFID readers to keep customers from stealing packaging items that are for sale in the P.O.

 

[E.Shell]

So, CMC and if some unlucky SOB somehow gets arrested for violating the PO anywhere in the country, the affirmative defense is this case?

 

[Occam]

Mine does. Now who knows if they work or not. It has had a malfunctioning door for like two years now, so their maintenance record is poor.

Sounds like my Post Office, too. They can't seem to do even the most rudimentary maintenance on the doors, the package drop chutes, let alone the parking lot. It's a dump. Ours also has those retail style counter-shoplifting walk through RFID panels between the exterior doors and the walk-up service area. Given the rest of the place, I find it highly unlikely they are in any way functional. But they're not metal detectors.

 

[Bob A]

These days I have to actually go into the PO to mail my letters. Apparently it's the New Thing to rob the Blue Boxes on the streets. I'm told that you can get the Universal Key on ebay, and alter checks and such to rob the unwary and empty their bank accounts.

At any rate, when it absolutely has to get there before the Vernal Equinox, mail it inside, where they haven't learned how to steal the mail yet.

And no, my PO doesn't have metal detectors.

 

[Nobody]

I have a question, in Dundalk at the drug store that has a post office counter in it but it is not a part office building. If one was to go to that counter would you be in violation of federal law?
Nobody

 

[Alan3413]

So we keep winning on carry cases, but eventually won't be allowed to buy or possess anything to carry beyond flintlock pistols and a single charge of black powder and birdshot.

Then I'll carry a brace of pistols. And a blunderbuss for good measure.


Arrrgh!

 

[Bob A]

I have a question, in Dundalk at the drug store that has a post office counter in it but it is not a part office building. If one was to go to that counter would you be in violation of federal law?
Nobody

Who knows?
Is it federal property?
Are you really that concerned, or just curious?

You could fedex your stuff to the USPS, I suppose, and avoid the issue entirely.

 

[Worsley]

I find it unacceptable that buildings paid for with tax revenue infringe on our constitutional right to bear arms.

 

[gtodave]

Those are probably RFID readers to keep customers from stealing packaging items that are for sale in the P.O.

Sounds like my Post Office, too. They can't seem to do even the most rudimentary maintenance on the doors, the package drop chutes, let alone the parking lot. It's a dump. Ours also has those retail style counter-shoplifting walk through RFID panels between the exterior doors and the walk-up service area. Given the rest of the place, I find it highly unlikely they are in any way functional. But they're not metal detectors.

Thanks to you both!

 

[Dataluss]

Mark, AGAIN, gives an EXCELLENT explanation on this PO Unconstitutional federal law. We still have to wait for an INJUNCTION to the law FIRST. At this point, It was ruled UNCONSTITUTIONAL in this fella's case ONLY. Once an INJUNCTION is issued on it, IT will TRUMP MD State law. So AGAIN, FYI, for now, we still can't carry in the Post Offices.

 

[remrug]

In the mid 90's I bought a new Mossberg shotgun. The trigger was messed up and I wanted to send it back to Mossberg for repairs. I had tossed the box before then......long story about that.
I called the Hampstead Post Office to tell them I had a shotgun to send back ,but I had no box.
To my surprise, the lady said to just bring it on in and they would supply an appropriate size box. I asked a second time in case she didnt hear me correctly. I asked if I needed to have it in a case or broke down and she said again to just bring it on in, just dont point it anybody.
Thats what I did and even though I felt like I was doing something totally illegal, not one person reacted in any way. I may as well have been holding a sandwich