ATF to Issue New Ruling on Monday regarding New Restrictions on Shotgun Importation

[Fodder4Thought]

Negative, made in the USA. The Maverick 88's may be built in Mexico.

Gotcha.

C'mon, you haven't seen the big mossberg sticker that says "Made in America"?

On some of them, sure. I'm pretty certain, for instance, that my 702 was made south of the Rio Grande somewhere.

 

[K-Romulus]

3-gun isn't recognized by the ATF as a sporting purpose IIRC, they only consider hunting game.

It is only slow-fire bullseye and hunting that are considered "sporting uses."

ATF issued a 126-page advisory report in the late '90's on whether rifles with no evil "assault weapon" features, but that still could accept standard-capacity magazines, had a "sporting use.' Therefore, the question was whether "large capacity military magazine rifles" (exact quote) met the "sporting use" test.

Here is a link to the attached report:
Department of the Treasury Study on the Sporting Suitability of Modified Semiautomatic Assault Rifles (4/98)

From the Exec Summary (pg. 2):

After weighing all the information collected, we found that the LCMM rifles are not
generally recognized as particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes
and are therefore not importable. However, this decision will in no way preclude the
importation of true sporting firearms.

From page 14:

Both the 1994 law and its legislative history demonstrate that Congress recognized that
ammunition capacity is a factor in determining whether a firearm is a sporting firearm. For
example, large capacity ammunition feeding devices were banned, while rifles and
shotguns with small ammunition capacities were exempted from the assault weapon ban.
Moreover, the House Report specifically states that the ability to accept a large capacity
magazine was a military configuration feature which was not "merely cosmetic," but
"serve[d] specific, combat-functional ends."46

From page 17:

While some may consider practical shooting a sport, by its very nature it is closer to police/combat-style competition and is not comparable to the more traditional types of sports, such as hunting and organized competitive target shooting. Therefore, we are not convinced that practical shooting does, in fact, constitute a sporting purpose under section 925(d)(3).49 (...)

and page 17-18:

Moreover, the legislative history makes clear that the use of a military weapon in a practical shooting competition would not make that weapon sporting: “if a military weapon is used in a special sporting event, it does not become a sporting weapon. It is a military weapon used in a special sporting event.”51 While none of the LCMM rifles are military weapons, they still retain the military feature of the ability to accept a large capacity military magazine.

 

[jmira]

really hard time finding one local today.. ugh!

 

[mbz300sdl]

On some of them, sure. I'm pretty certain, for instance, that my 702 was made south of the Rio Grande somewhere.

I have one i think its made in brazil that said i love shooting it

 

[Fodder4Thought]

I have one i think its made in brazil that said i love shooting it

Yeah, I'm quite fond of mine, too. My biggest gripe is that bigger magazines don't seem to exist.

I wonder how hard it would be to make some the next time I go visit my brother in VA...

 

[clandestine]

really hard time finding one local today.. ugh!

I had about 20 people come in or call Scotts today asking is we had any.

 

[2SAM22]

I had about 20 people come in or call Scotts today asking is we had any.

Counting me ? The other thing I was working on came through though so I'm good.

 

[OLM-Medic]

I can't believe society as a whole even follows these laws. The founding fathers probably would have laughed and said F**K you to these goons.

 

[Inigoes]

Sounds like a business opportunity for a US manufacturer to clone them.

They're simple enough to build. Hmmmmmmm.

 

[sandbanger]

Sounds like a business opportunity for a US manufacturer to clone them.

They're simple enough to build. Hmmmmmmm.

 

[clandestine]

Sounds like a business opportunity for a US manufacturer to clone them.

They're simple enough to build. Hmmmmmmm.

They would cost alot more if made domestically. 95% of the gun public are just too darn cheap.

 

[jpk1md]

They would cost alot more if made domestically. 95% of the gun public are just too darn cheap.

So, 6 or $650 retail instead of the going rate of 500?

Hell, I don't think most folks in the Saiga market would blink at that or even more for a US manufactured gun but you're right about folks in general being cheap.....especially these days.

 

[mbz300sdl]

They would cost alot more if made domestically. 95% of the gun public are just too darn cheap.

Trying to say something?

So, 6 or $650 retail instead of the going rate of 500?

Hell, I don't think most folks in the Saiga market would blink at that or even more for a US manufactured gun but you're right about folks in general being cheap.....especially these days.

I was raised that way. It goes back in my family for generations.

 

[jpk1md]

Trying to say something?



I was raised that way. It goes back in my family for generations.

I'm part Scottish too

 

[mbz300sdl]

I'm part Scottish too

I am told I am mostly Irish with some German but... I have been asked if I am Jewish.

 

[dswanmd]

If this were to go through, would this affect performing conversions on existing saigas?

 

[clandestine]

If this were to go through, would this affect performing conversions on existing saigas?

Not at all.

 

[h2u]

If this were to go through, would this affect performing conversions on existing saigas?

If I were hedging, I'd buy the pistol grip and drum magazine TODAY. Folding mechanism for the stock might be a good one too.
If ATF is going for the "scary" stuff, those would fit the bill.
All of those things are going to disappear quickly I'd guess when the panic buying ensues.

 

[Hopalong]

Saiga-12 acquired (at an okay price), conversion stuff + drum ordered. Yeah, I had a hard time justifying the cost, but I'd rather get one now while I can.

 

[oldman12]

Oh, just more INFRINGING on the 2nd.