Article on liberal gun owners

[RightNYer]

While its nice to hear anecdotal stories about liberals embracing RKBA to some degree the article is equally full of crap like the statement below.



The left perpetually holds forth the notion that the notion of civil rights begins/ends with the "right" to bugger someone in the arse or to kill an unborn child.........but things like economic/personal freedom/private property and RKBA are not liberties that are meaningful.

The fact of the matter is that the Dem party has become the party of tyranny and the GOP the party of slightly less tyranny

Be careful. I got yelled at for saying very similar things, that liberals worship the right of a woman to vacuum her baby's brain out of its head and the right of a man to insert his penis into another man's butt.

Btw, you forgot about the right to drink a soda considered "too large."

 

[Storm40]

That article was an interesting read. Mostly positive in the gun-owning category, but I feel like I got a look into the really, really lefty progressive mind. In several points, "they" (being the author or people quoted in the article) accuse the "right" of nearly everything which "we" (by which I mean conservative/libertarian, not necessarily republican) accuse the left.

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For some liberals, doing the math—aligning policy with the available data— feels like a natural extension of their political philosophy. Marlene Hoeber, a “glorified mechanic” at a biotech firm, is a gun owner who describes herself as a “lefty feminist.” To Hoeber, the gun debate is the only time she sees the American left treating numbers and evidence as completely irrelevant, as though there is no reasonable political discussion to be had. Her characterization reminded me of years of willful denial of climate change on the right.

I laugh! I guffaw! I fart in their general direction (my most mature statement today)! Because climate change numbers were never suspect, doctored, misrepresented, overlooked, massaged or run contrary to plain common sense and observation.

 

[MDFF2008]

That article was an interesting read. Mostly positive in the gun-owning category, but I feel like I got a look into the really, really lefty progressive mind. In several points, "they" (being the author or people quoted in the article) accuse the "right" of nearly everything which "we" (by which I mean conservative/libertarian, not necessarily republican) accuse the left.

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I laugh! I guffaw! I fart in their general direction (my most mature statement today)! Because climate change numbers were never suspect, doctored, misrepresented, overlooked, massaged or run contrary to plain common sense and observation.

Irrelevant. The point is that they are calling out the Democrats for acting on emotion, not on facts.

Guess what, most forms of gun control fall apart when you look at facts.

 

[Benanov]

Be careful. I got yelled at for saying very similar things, that liberals worship the right of a woman to vacuum her baby's brain out of its head and the right of a man to insert his penis into another man's butt.

Btw, you forgot about the right to drink a soda considered "too large."

...and rightly so. Those are strawmen, and it's also not the exclusive domain of "liberals" - libertarians will support those things* having carefully weighed them against the non-aggression principle.



* I am aware of the presence of anti-abortion libertarians - they apply the NAP differently, and I fully support their right to do so. End digression.
** The soda ban is completely asinine.

 

[Benanov]

Guess what, most forms of gun control fall apart when you look at facts.

Isn't that what happened with the CDC study that finally was allowed to happen by Congress & Obama? (Spoiler: it came out in favor of lowered gun control)

 

[RightNYer]

...and rightly so. Those are strawmen, and it's also not the exclusive domain of "liberals" - libertarians will support those things* having carefully weighed them against the non-aggression principle.



* I am aware of the presence of anti-abortion libertarians - they apply the NAP differently, and I fully support their right to do so. End digression.
** The soda ban is completely asinine.

They're not strawmen. They indicate how the left worships the "right" to do things that are pathetic.

 

[Storm40]

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Irrelevant. The point is that they are calling out the Democrats for acting on emotion, not on facts.

Guess what, most forms of gun control fall apart when you look at facts.

I didn't say it was relevant, I merely found it funny.

 

[Benanov]

They're not strawmen. They indicate how the left worships the "right" to do things that are pathetic.

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion - and these issues are not relevant here on a gun forum.

That which is legal is not always moral, and vice versa - you can't legislate morality. You also can't legislate against stupidity.

If we could, I think we would be much less upset about the mandatory 'training' that is part the HQL.

 

[WheelHead]

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion - and these issues are not relevant here on a gun forum.

That which is legal is not always moral, and vice versa - you can't legislate morality. You also can't legislate against stupidity.

If we could, I think we would be much less upset about the mandatory 'training' that is part the HQL.

Wasn't going to get involved because a lot of this discussion is emotion but felt the need to let you know that your comment is the dumbest crap I've heard all day.

 

[Alan3413]

Just thought I'd share this article for those who might be interested

I think they're making things over complicated.

I just like that my gun goes bang and a hole appears on the paper within 2" of bullseye. I especially like it when I go bang-bang and two holes appear close enough to touch. It's a skill. I work at it to become good. I enjoy it. Some folks like golf, I like target practice.

Nobody hangs a label on a golfer that says "Liberal!" or "Conservative!". Why should this be any different?

 

[Benanov]

Wasn't going to get involved because a lot of this discussion is emotion but felt the need to let you know that your comment is the dumbest crap I've heard all day.

That would be because you find Vacuous Truth to be stupid and not amusing.

 

[4MDGunRights]

I noticed that more than a couple of responders quoted the misguided Kellerman case-control study from which responders cited the false conclusion that a gun in the home makes the likelihood of homicide of a family member 22 times more likely, despite analyses that logically show the falacies concluded by the studies. These liberals love to use false arguments to back up their meaningless conjecture. If you look at this article, liberals quoting the study just added up all of the adjusted odd ratios to come up with their 22% number for their Guns in the Home quote!

http://www.guncite.com/gun-control-kellermann-3times.html

 

[foxtrapper]

I had no idea how much they HATE the NRA, and that the progressives consider us gunners to be bullies! Talk about a group of people who never do any first hand research or question anything, yet it is from their side that I have always heard "question authority" and stuff about being open minded. I guess I took these 2 things literally LOL. So that means to a good lefty progressive, that they literally don't take them literally? LOL

For my own background, I was raised around liberals, never even knew any gun owners, but I sure did gravitate to the taboos didn't I? LOL! However I never was exposed to such vitriol as " the NRA is a bunch of baby killers!" or " gun owners- all of them- are bullies!" Geeze, where does that sort of seething hate crap come from? It makes me think of genuine hate groups spouting their disease. Bigots, racists...KKK... now, who's the real bullies?

 

[MDFF2008]

The liberals of the 60's were about question authority. The liberals of 2013 are about "obey authority" as long as it says D.

 

[Combloc]

I am very liberal on some issues.

I am also VERY armed.

Being "liberal" and being socially intelligent are not mutually exclusive.

 

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Just thought I'd share this article for those who might be interested

GOOD Magazine Feature | Get to Know the Americans You'd Least Expect to Fancy the Firearm

I like taking the fight to their sites. On the late Andrew Breitbart's Huffington Post, Salon, and Mother Jones you can basically comment. I just try and find the biggest antigun outlets and comment on them. It gets a lot of attention. Look at the comments here for example: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/20/dicks-ar15_n_3781180.html

Clearly antigun, but the comments take it in a very sensible direction. Find out where these libs hangout online and get in their face with comments. A few comments a day can go along way and really scares them.

 

[Biggfoot44]

I am about *this close* to stopping to even reference Right and Left . The real difference isn't between socialist nanny stater dogooder control freaks and rightwing fundamentalist moralistic control freaks. ( Ok , the american Taliban would have lower taxes ) But between nanny state control freaks seeking to legislated their personal religous / functional substitute for religous beliefs and world views on everyone vs those who can seperate personal preferences , sensabilities , and charitable impulses from the proper role of a limited Gov't.

 

[Benanov]

I am about *this close* to stopping to even reference Right and Left . The real difference isn't between socialist nanny stater dogooder control freaks and rightwing fundamentalist moralistic control freaks. ( Ok , the american Taliban would have lower taxes ) But between nanny state control freaks seeking to legislated their personal religous / functional substitute for religous beliefs and world views on everyone vs those who can seperate personal preferences , sensabilities , and charitable impulses from the proper role of a limited Gov't.

Yeah, it really doesn't matter whether you sit on the left or the right of the room. What matters is how much power you think those sitting in the room should have.

 

[foxtrapper]

I've tried having civil debate with the rabid anti-gun types, but they either are on a forum that bans me in about 3 seconds ( very common on Facebook), or they do the "lalalalalala, I can't hear you!" song and dance, followed by a raging " you gunnut nut teatard NRA #$!#%$#!#$!!!!". Kinda hard to have a civil debate with that...

 

[RightNYer]

I've tried having civil debate with the rabid anti-gun types, but they either are on a forum that bans me in about 3 seconds ( very common on Facebook), or they do the "lalalalalala, I can't hear you!" song and dance, followed by a raging " you gunnut nut teatard NRA #$!#%$#!#$!!!!". Kinda hard to have a civil debate with that...

You forgot about the watching "Faux News" insult and the obligatory references to the Koch Brothers and ALEC.