Anyone have a breakdown of MD Carry permit numbers by county/city?

Bob A · Feb 1, 2024

It'd be of interest to look at changes in violent crimes over time, to see of there's any correlation. I don't know how to get MSP to release the info.

Beyond that, figures regarding number of permit holders charged with crimes would also be interesting.

John from MD · Feb 1, 2024

Do a freedom of information request. Since the data is in the computer, they should be able to spit out a report. You will have to spring for the cost of getting the report though.

I have done a number of these when I was in the Fed. When the request was received, it was sent out through out the agency. If you had stuff they wanted, you made copies, annotated how much time and at what grade was used, and forwarded it back out the chain. We never held them up and we took the matter seriously and did not hide relevant material as it had criminal penalties attached.

Of course the Govmint is different today and the State Police has never been forthcoming with stuff that would help us.

6-Pack · Feb 1, 2024

I could’ve sworn that MDSP released a report last year at some point that had exactly those numbers. Carroll was in the lead if I recall.

rbird7282 · Feb 1, 2024

Don't think you'll see any correlation between the number of permits and violent crime, at least not in MD

Bob A · Feb 1, 2024

rbird7282 said:
Don't think you'll see any correlation between the number of permits and violent crime, at least not in MD

It's worth noting that Baltimore's homicide rate dropped by 20% since Bruen. I can't think of anything the MD GA did that would account for this. I'm curious to see whether violent crime decreased in the more urban areas post-Bruen.

I believe Baltimore has far more CCW holders now than formerly; in places like MoCo, where violent crime has continued apace, there's been only a very few increased permits relative to population size.

All subject to the usual fallacies, of course. But there seems to be few other factors that would be part of a decrease. It's merely my idle curiosity that piqued my interest.

win296 · Feb 1, 2024

6-Pack said:
I could’ve sworn that MDSP released a report last year at some point that had exactly those numbers. Carroll was in the lead if I recall.

I don’t recall the exact numbers, but I thought that Baltimore county was leading. Please correct me if you have the report.

Continental Arms is packed with new shooters. Many taking a CCW class. I assume most are from the local county.

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308Scout · Feb 1, 2024

I compiled this in January 2023, so not necessarily recent. Permit numbers were from an MSP slide presentation that was making the rounds.

County	Population	Permits	%
Carroll	174,619	6,101	3.5%
Calvert	93,998	3,250	3.5%
Queen Anne's	50,498	1,636	3.2%
Garrett	28,419	920	3.2%
St. Mary's	116,366	3,387	2.9%
Allegheny	66,012	1,835	2.8%
Harford	265,754	7,181	2.7%
Caroline	33,362	890	2.7%
Charles	172,638	4,555	2.6%
Cecil	104,511	2,669	2.6%
Dorchester	32,504	799	2.5%
Washington	156,889	3,702	2.4%
Worcester	52,763	1,241	2.4%
Talbot	37,448	831	2.2%
Somerset	24,065	513	2.1%
AA	603,441	12,809	2.1%
Baltimore Co.	869,388	17,464	2.0%
Kent	18,898	355	1.9%
Frederick	283,216	5,275	1.9%
Wicomico	105,046	1,760	1.7%
Balt City	575,133	8,218	1.4%
PG	998,335	12,856	1.3%
Howard	345,886	3,941	1.1%
Montgomery	1,089,145	5,933	0.5%
	6,298,334	108121	1.7%

ETA: found the thread that included the slides:

MSP Licensing Division report to Legislature 1/25/2023

Looks like things got busy for them when COVID started in 2020, This is the PowerPoint that they provided (HQL, firearm purchases and W&C stats) https://files.constantcontact.com/879a3436601/acdc6045-3542-4978-acde-7be8c7fc4b96.pdf?rdr=true

www.mdshooters.com

slsc98 · Feb 1, 2024

308Scout said:
I compiled this in January 2023, so not necessarily recent. Permit numbers were from an MSP slide presentation that was making the rounds.

County Population Permits %
Carroll
174,619
6,101
3.5%
Calvert
93,998
3,250
3.5%
Queen Anne's
50,498
1,636
3.2%
Garrett
28,419
920
3.2%
St. Mary's
116,366
3,387
2.9%
Allegheny
66,012
1,835
2.8%
Harford
265,754
7,181
2.7%
Caroline
33,362
890
2.7%
Charles
172,638
4,555
2.6%
Cecil
104,511
2,669
2.6%
Dorchester
32,504
799
2.5%
Washington
156,889
3,702
2.4%
Worcester
52,763
1,241
2.4%
Talbot
37,448
831
2.2%
Somerset
24,065
513
2.1%
AA
603,441
12,809
2.1%
Baltimore Co.
869,388
17,464
2.0%
Kent
18,898
355
1.9%
Frederick
283,216
5,275
1.9%
Wicomico
105,046
1,760
1.7%
Balt City
575,133
8,218
1.4%
PG
998,335
12,856
1.3%
Howard
345,886
3,941
1.1%
Montgomery
1,089,145
5,933
0.5%
6,298,334
108121
1.7%

ETA: found the thread that included the slides:

MSP Licensing Division report to Legislature 1/25/2023

Looks like things got busy for them when COVID started in 2020, This is the PowerPoint that they provided (HQL, firearm purchases and W&C stats) https://files.constantcontact.com/879a3436601/acdc6045-3542-4978-acde-7be8c7fc4b96.pdf?rdr=true

www.mdshooters.com

Words - to describe how uplifting it is to see these #’s, after decades of corruption and elected and appointed MD officials hellbent on unconstitutional progroms - fail me!

308Scout · Feb 1, 2024

slsc98 said:
Words - to describe how uplifting it is to see these #’s, after decades of corruption and elected and appointed MD officials hellbent on unconstitutional progroms - fail me!

And the number of permits has likely doubled in the year since. Would love to know how the relative county numbers have changed in that time.

Franken7 · Feb 1, 2024

308Scout said:
I compiled this in January 2023, so not necessarily recent. Permit numbers were from an MSP slide presentation that was making the rounds.

County Population Permits %
Carroll
174,619
6,101
3.5%
Calvert
93,998
3,250
3.5%
Queen Anne's
50,498
1,636
3.2%
Garrett
28,419
920
3.2%
St. Mary's
116,366
3,387
2.9%
Allegheny
66,012
1,835
2.8%
Harford
265,754
7,181
2.7%
Caroline
33,362
890
2.7%
Charles
172,638
4,555
2.6%
Cecil
104,511
2,669
2.6%
Dorchester
32,504
799
2.5%
Washington
156,889
3,702
2.4%
Worcester
52,763
1,241
2.4%
Talbot
37,448
831
2.2%
Somerset
24,065
513
2.1%
AA
603,441
12,809
2.1%
Baltimore Co.
869,388
17,464
2.0%
Kent
18,898
355
1.9%
Frederick
283,216
5,275
1.9%
Wicomico
105,046
1,760
1.7%
Balt City
575,133
8,218
1.4%
PG
998,335
12,856
1.3%
Howard
345,886
3,941
1.1%
Montgomery
1,089,145
5,933
0.5%
6,298,334
108121
1.7%

ETA: found the thread that included the slides:

MSP Licensing Division report to Legislature 1/25/2023

Looks like things got busy for them when COVID started in 2020, This is the PowerPoint that they provided (HQL, firearm purchases and W&C stats) https://files.constantcontact.com/879a3436601/acdc6045-3542-4978-acde-7be8c7fc4b96.pdf?rdr=true

www.mdshooters.com

Looking at the source of where you got your numbers, were there any totals for the number of non-resident permits issued?

308Scout · Feb 1, 2024

Franken7 said:
Looking at the source of where you got your numbers, were there any totals for the number of non-resident permits issued?

Yes - ~6.6k. keep in mind these numbers were from January 2023. Here's the slide:

Bertfish · Feb 1, 2024

Pretty sure a component of SB1 or the house bill last year was an annual reporting requirement by MSP to MGA about permit numbers

BurkeM · Feb 1, 2024

Bob A said:
I believe Baltimore has far more CCW holders now than formerly; in places like MoCo, where violent crime has continued apace, there's been only a very few increased permits relative to population size.

MoCo County Code FROZE out a million residents who would not APPLY because of the thousands of 100 yard GUN FREE ZONES that were only recently ruled unconstitutional.

BurkeM · Feb 1, 2024

win296 said:
Continental Arms is packed with new shooters. Many taking a CCW class. I assume most are from the local county.

Odds are high that half are up from the CITY, as there are no ranges in Baltimore.

Mark75H · Feb 1, 2024

308Scout said:
And the number of permits has likely doubled in the year since. Would love to know how the relative county numbers have changed in that time.

No, the number of people taking W&C class fell like a rock in the past year. Attendees for my classes was less than 20% of the previous year. Other instructors are reporting the same thing.

In '22 I gave classes to about 40 people per month. In '23 it fell to about 8.

King Chicken · Feb 1, 2024

Murders and shootings have skyrocketed? Right?!

BurkeM · Feb 2, 2024

Mark75H said:
In '22 I gave classes to about 40 people per month. In '23 it fell to about 8.

SB1 had the desired effect.

John from MD · Feb 2, 2024

Perhaps the Firearms Industry in MD should spring for a couple of ads like Freestate and one other dealer in Baltimore have on the radio.

Biggfoot44 · Feb 2, 2024

Paging the MLFDA !

308Scout · Feb 2, 2024

Mark75H said:
No, the number of people taking W&C class fell like a rock in the past year. Attendees for my classes was less than 20% of the previous year. Other instructors are reporting the same thing.

In '22 I gave classes to about 40 people per month. In '23 it fell to about 8.

I never said that the rate of people seeking permits doubled (or even that it remained constant), only that the number of permits likely has since January of '23. The "surge" was still going on early last year and 2023 was the first full year post-Bruen.

Anyone have a breakdown of MD Carry permit numbers by county/city?

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