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Va AG to Follow PA AG - UPDATED Action Reversed
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Pennsylvania is definitely gone, eff. 2/1/16.
"Virginia - Virginia has terminated its written reciprocity agreement effective February 1, 2016"
From the PA AG website
I agree that FL and NM at a minimum will be gone.
ken792
Ultimate Member
FL recognition by is dependent upon the other state reciprocating, and that is by statute. On the VA AG letter, it lists which states have such requirements.
Just passing the word for a VA resident friend...please forward to all Virginians who want to get involved with getting rid of (legally, democratically, and politically, that is) AG Mark Herring. Only resident Virginians that are registered to vote can make the difference if this petition can really necessitate a recall. The recall section of Virginia Code (section 24.2-233) calls for signatures equal to 10% of the total votes casted of the last AG election, which was close to 2,212,300, so 221,230 votes or more are required!
Links for the FB page of where he learned of the petition, the petition itself, and other related info:
https://www.facebook.com/recallmarkherring/posts/417125998476962?fref=nf&pnref=story
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1T1aYvJ6niqTatr3D_DsVruR3L_-rAaSE5BlkBMHEWEY/viewform
Links for the FB page of where he learned of the petition, the petition itself, and other related info:
https://www.facebook.com/recallmarkherring/posts/417125998476962?fref=nf&pnref=story
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1T1aYvJ6niqTatr3D_DsVruR3L_-rAaSE5BlkBMHEWEY/viewform
Jack Ryan
Ultimate Member
This is just the beginning for Virginia...soon they will be like us.
Mr H
Banana'd
Mr H
Banana'd
I may need to step up getting my VA and FL non-res...
So as a Non-Res VA permit holder I will most likely enjoy reciprocity in about 6 states instead of 30 once the dust settles. Got FL and will probably pickup UT.
No permit required for open carry in Virginia. So all visitors, please open carry proudly, since you will not be permitted to carry concealed. That must be what Herring and McAuliffe want!
No permit required for open carry in Virginia. So all visitors, please open carry proudly, since you will not be permitted to carry concealed. That must be what Herring and McAuliffe want!
Bill introduced...Disables Herring's ability to eliminate reciprocity and also provides some MD reciprocity. http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?161+ful+HB12+pdf
I don't think so. Virginia has been teetering on the edge of going permitless carry for a few years now and Herring's actions could be that wake up call that gets it over.
redeemed.man
Ultimate Member
That section about Maryland branch pilots is already in existence. They are re-enacting the existing law minus the background and instant verification provisions.
http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?161+ful+HB12+pdf
I should say the are "attempting" to do that with this bill.
Yes, sorry, the MD piece is existing law. And yes, the background and verification provisions are what Herring relied on.
There are at least 10 pro-gun bills that have been introduced. I only noticed one anti-gun bill.
Update from VCDL...
"VA-ALERT: Update on Herring and McAuliffe's attacks
1) THOUGHTS FOR OUR FELLOW OUT-OF-STATE CHP HOLDERS
First, I’d like to offer an apology to our fellow CHP holders from the 25 states that are about to lose recognition on February 1st.
All of you who have visited Virginia over the years have been exemplary and have not caused any problems within the Commonwealth.
This is NOT about you or anything you have done that was wrong.
It’s about our Governor, Terry McAuliffe, and our Attorney General, Mark Herring, who were both elected by a very small margin, and are a great embarrassment to Virginians. Neither of these individuals are reflective of the attitudes toward liberty and freedom and the values that we cherish here in Virginia. In fact, both have been referred to as “lawless” by some of our own General Assembly members, many of who are going to work to fix the situation we find ourselves in.
Here in the Old Dominion, the anger of gun owners at what our Attorney General has done is palpable, and I cannot remember anything to match it. Herring and McAuliffe have endangered your lives when you travel here and our lives when we travel outside of Virginia. SIX MILLION CHP holders in half the country are affected!
And all this treachery was done as political payback to Michael Bloomberg for campaign contributions.
VCDL will be working to fix this problem from various angles and we will be trying to do so as expeditiously as possible. We want Virginia to be a welcoming state again for our fellow gun owners. We ultimately want to recognize ALL out-of-state permits.
Sadly, we understand if you decide you can’t visit us until we can honor your permits. I’d be a hypocrite if I said I would do so if the tables were turned.
HOWEVER, you do have a few options if you still want to come visit us:
1. Open carry is legal in Virginia - no permit required and you can open carry in most places in Virginia. Our police don’t bat an eye. VCDL's website has a list of the places that you cannot carry. And, here’s another good reason to open carry: McAuliffe and Herring HATE open carry. But, hey, it was THEIR brilliant idea to prohibit concealed carry, so they will have no choice but to get used to a whole lot more people open carrying in Virginia! ;-)
2. You can have a LOADED handgun in a CLOSED, but not necessarily locked, compartment or container in a vehicle. That includes a glovebox, console, and trunk as long as the compartment or container has some kind of latch. Optionally the loaded handgun can be in plain sight, on the seat or on the dashboard. Again, if concealed it MUST be in a compartment or container and nowhere else. Upon exiting the vehicle, the loaded handgun can be holstered and carried in plain view or you can unload the gun and put it in a carrying case.
3. You can get a Utah non-resident concealed handgun permit or you can get a Virginia non-resident concealed handgun permit. For the money and the fact that Virginia’s permit has now been degraded by the Attorney General, I’d go for the Utah permit.
Whatever you do, please don’t judge our great Commonwealth based on our current Governor and Attorney General.
2) WHAT CAN BE DONE?
VCDL is working to fix "Herring’s Folly" from several angles.
a) A bill on VCDL’s behalf has been introduced by Delegate Lee Ware and will be considered by the General Assembly, which convenes on January 14th (Lobby Day is on the 18th, BTW). This bill will change Virginia law to honor the CHPs from ALL states! Expect a matching bill to come from the Senate.
Yes, McAuliffe will probably veto it, but with your help, we will work to get as large a majority as possible to pass it. More on this in future legislative updates in January.
In the meantime, here is a link to the bill:
http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?161+ful+HB12
b) The General Assembly’s “Power of the Purse” can be used in different ways to help with this battle
c) We can possibly use the courts to override Herring and McAuliffe’s actions
d) There is a petition you can sign. Yes, Herring will ignore it, but it will make a great PR item, when I say something like, “X thousand of people signed a petition against Herring’s actions.” 7,283 have signed it so far and you guys are just learning about it! Here is the link:
http://tinyurl.com/pajlh9x
d) Since Herring is making our lives miserable, we can return the favor. More on this next week. Oh, and Herring is going to run for Attorney General again in 2017. I’ll bet he’ll be surprised at just how good our memories can be!
3) DON’T FORGET TO KEEP PUSHING PEOPLE YOU KNOW TO COMMENT ON MCAULIFFE’S STATE-AGENCY BAN
As of 8 PM on December 23rd, 2,818 comments have been posted. All but a handful, if that many, are against McAuliffe’s gun ban!
That's nice, but we can do better. Get this link into the hands of others you know and get them to leave a comments opposing the ban. If you haven’t commented yet, now is a great time to do so. Click on the link and then click on “Enter a comment” to get started:
http://www.townhall.virginia.gov/L/Comments.cfm?StageID=7379
Here’s an article on McAuliffe’s state-agency gun ban and VCDL:
http://bearingdrift.com/2015/12/23/...ays-privatization-resurrected-as-vcdl-fights/
or
http://tinyurl.com/gpmf2nu
4) DETAILS ON THE BUSES COMING TO LOBBY DAY WILL BE READY VERY SOON
The buses are now confirmed and I will let you know where the pickup points will be, the times, and how to make a reservation. Please make this the biggest Lobby Day VCDL has ever had!
5) MARK YOUR CALENDARS: VCDL MEETING IN RICHMOND AREA ON DECEMBER 29!
VCDL will be holding a long awaited membership meeting in the Richmond area. We will meet at the Glen Allen Library on Tuesday, December 29th at 7:00 p.m. The meeting room will be open to us at 6:30 p.m. for fellowship and the meeting will begin around 7:00.
We will be discussing strategy for Lobby Day and the implications of the recent "audit" by AG Mark Herring and the Executive Order #50 issued by Gov. McAuliffe.
We will adjourn at 8:30 and those who care to will go to the Nuevo Mexico restaurant for continued fellowship.
The meeting is open to all, regardless of your membership status. In fact, we encourage you to bring people who have never been to a VCDL meeting before.
Location:
Glen Allen Library
10501 Staples Mill Road
Glen Allen, VA 23060
Time:
7:00 pm - 8:30 pm
Continued Fellowship:
Nuevo Mexico Restaurante
10282 Staples Mill Road
Glen Allen, VA 23060
www.nuevomexicorestaurante.com
FINALLY - MERRY CHRISTMAS AND MAY GOD BLESS ALL OF YOU!"
"VA-ALERT: Update on Herring and McAuliffe's attacks
1) THOUGHTS FOR OUR FELLOW OUT-OF-STATE CHP HOLDERS
First, I’d like to offer an apology to our fellow CHP holders from the 25 states that are about to lose recognition on February 1st.
All of you who have visited Virginia over the years have been exemplary and have not caused any problems within the Commonwealth.
This is NOT about you or anything you have done that was wrong.
It’s about our Governor, Terry McAuliffe, and our Attorney General, Mark Herring, who were both elected by a very small margin, and are a great embarrassment to Virginians. Neither of these individuals are reflective of the attitudes toward liberty and freedom and the values that we cherish here in Virginia. In fact, both have been referred to as “lawless” by some of our own General Assembly members, many of who are going to work to fix the situation we find ourselves in.
Here in the Old Dominion, the anger of gun owners at what our Attorney General has done is palpable, and I cannot remember anything to match it. Herring and McAuliffe have endangered your lives when you travel here and our lives when we travel outside of Virginia. SIX MILLION CHP holders in half the country are affected!
And all this treachery was done as political payback to Michael Bloomberg for campaign contributions.
VCDL will be working to fix this problem from various angles and we will be trying to do so as expeditiously as possible. We want Virginia to be a welcoming state again for our fellow gun owners. We ultimately want to recognize ALL out-of-state permits.
Sadly, we understand if you decide you can’t visit us until we can honor your permits. I’d be a hypocrite if I said I would do so if the tables were turned.
HOWEVER, you do have a few options if you still want to come visit us:
1. Open carry is legal in Virginia - no permit required and you can open carry in most places in Virginia. Our police don’t bat an eye. VCDL's website has a list of the places that you cannot carry. And, here’s another good reason to open carry: McAuliffe and Herring HATE open carry. But, hey, it was THEIR brilliant idea to prohibit concealed carry, so they will have no choice but to get used to a whole lot more people open carrying in Virginia! ;-)
2. You can have a LOADED handgun in a CLOSED, but not necessarily locked, compartment or container in a vehicle. That includes a glovebox, console, and trunk as long as the compartment or container has some kind of latch. Optionally the loaded handgun can be in plain sight, on the seat or on the dashboard. Again, if concealed it MUST be in a compartment or container and nowhere else. Upon exiting the vehicle, the loaded handgun can be holstered and carried in plain view or you can unload the gun and put it in a carrying case.
3. You can get a Utah non-resident concealed handgun permit or you can get a Virginia non-resident concealed handgun permit. For the money and the fact that Virginia’s permit has now been degraded by the Attorney General, I’d go for the Utah permit.
Whatever you do, please don’t judge our great Commonwealth based on our current Governor and Attorney General.
2) WHAT CAN BE DONE?
VCDL is working to fix "Herring’s Folly" from several angles.
a) A bill on VCDL’s behalf has been introduced by Delegate Lee Ware and will be considered by the General Assembly, which convenes on January 14th (Lobby Day is on the 18th, BTW). This bill will change Virginia law to honor the CHPs from ALL states! Expect a matching bill to come from the Senate.
Yes, McAuliffe will probably veto it, but with your help, we will work to get as large a majority as possible to pass it. More on this in future legislative updates in January.
In the meantime, here is a link to the bill:
http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?161+ful+HB12
b) The General Assembly’s “Power of the Purse” can be used in different ways to help with this battle
c) We can possibly use the courts to override Herring and McAuliffe’s actions
d) There is a petition you can sign. Yes, Herring will ignore it, but it will make a great PR item, when I say something like, “X thousand of people signed a petition against Herring’s actions.” 7,283 have signed it so far and you guys are just learning about it! Here is the link:
http://tinyurl.com/pajlh9x
d) Since Herring is making our lives miserable, we can return the favor. More on this next week. Oh, and Herring is going to run for Attorney General again in 2017. I’ll bet he’ll be surprised at just how good our memories can be!
3) DON’T FORGET TO KEEP PUSHING PEOPLE YOU KNOW TO COMMENT ON MCAULIFFE’S STATE-AGENCY BAN
As of 8 PM on December 23rd, 2,818 comments have been posted. All but a handful, if that many, are against McAuliffe’s gun ban!
That's nice, but we can do better. Get this link into the hands of others you know and get them to leave a comments opposing the ban. If you haven’t commented yet, now is a great time to do so. Click on the link and then click on “Enter a comment” to get started:
http://www.townhall.virginia.gov/L/Comments.cfm?StageID=7379
Here’s an article on McAuliffe’s state-agency gun ban and VCDL:
http://bearingdrift.com/2015/12/23/...ays-privatization-resurrected-as-vcdl-fights/
or
http://tinyurl.com/gpmf2nu
4) DETAILS ON THE BUSES COMING TO LOBBY DAY WILL BE READY VERY SOON
The buses are now confirmed and I will let you know where the pickup points will be, the times, and how to make a reservation. Please make this the biggest Lobby Day VCDL has ever had!
5) MARK YOUR CALENDARS: VCDL MEETING IN RICHMOND AREA ON DECEMBER 29!
VCDL will be holding a long awaited membership meeting in the Richmond area. We will meet at the Glen Allen Library on Tuesday, December 29th at 7:00 p.m. The meeting room will be open to us at 6:30 p.m. for fellowship and the meeting will begin around 7:00.
We will be discussing strategy for Lobby Day and the implications of the recent "audit" by AG Mark Herring and the Executive Order #50 issued by Gov. McAuliffe.
We will adjourn at 8:30 and those who care to will go to the Nuevo Mexico restaurant for continued fellowship.
The meeting is open to all, regardless of your membership status. In fact, we encourage you to bring people who have never been to a VCDL meeting before.
Location:
Glen Allen Library
10501 Staples Mill Road
Glen Allen, VA 23060
Time:
7:00 pm - 8:30 pm
Continued Fellowship:
Nuevo Mexico Restaurante
10282 Staples Mill Road
Glen Allen, VA 23060
www.nuevomexicorestaurante.com
FINALLY - MERRY CHRISTMAS AND MAY GOD BLESS ALL OF YOU!"
Broncolou
Active Member
Do we know for sure that they will still honor Utah non-resident? I have not read that in ANY of the articles yet. It only stated that Utah was allowed to keep reciprocity, nothing was written/stated about non-resident.
ken792
Ultimate Member
They didn't say that they would drop UT nonres permits., while outlining everything else that they were going to do. UT nonres permitting is held to the same standard as resident permits. so they wouldn't be able to drop them under the same line of reasoning.
like most laws, if it's not prohibited, it's allowed. if they didn't specify what kind of UT permit, it would seem that any UT permit is still recognized.
just my opinion though.
just my opinion though.
Trbo6gn
Ultimate Member
I'll wait until the paranoid start bombbarding the AG with Emails asking for further clarification........I.E. Sig Brace clusterf*ck
here is a list of the letters sent to the other states
http://www.oag.state.va.us/files/FOI...n/Outgoing.zip
and the source page
http://www.oag.state.va.us/index.php/citizen-resources/concealed-weapon-license-information
http://www.oag.state.va.us/files/FOI...n/Outgoing.zip
and the source page
http://www.oag.state.va.us/index.php/citizen-resources/concealed-weapon-license-information
The sphinx
Ultimate Member
Same with Delaware they would even reject an application for a bad driving record.
For now it's ok but I wouldn't be shocked if he changes the agreement just like Kane in PA to be just UT residents. In fact I'm suprised he didn't do it yet.
