ATF Coming After Firearms with Stabilizing Braces

[Cal68]

So good news? I don't speak legalese...

Me either. I hope one of our Legal friends will help us non-lawyers understand what the injunction means. I just filed a Form 1 for this very thing.

Cal68

 

[KIBarrister]

Me either. I hope one of our Legal friends will help us non-lawyers understand what the injunction means. I just filed a Form 1 for this very thing.

Cal68

Scope is unclear (FPC is already filing to ask for clarification). Whether it applies to the specific plaintiffs or circuit wide is up in the air…

 

[Blacksmith101]

Scope is unclear (FPC is already filing to ask for clarification). Whether it applies to the specific plaintiffs or circuit wide is up in the air…

Or even nationwide....remember what the judges in Hawaii did with Trump's boarder security administrative efforts.....the liberals established the presidant for nationwide injunctions so what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

 

[HaveBlue]

The order specifically lists FPC as a plaintiff. Why would FPC members nationwide not be covered by this order?

What is FPC if not its members?

 

[swinokur]

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flmd.410428/gov.uscourts.flmd.410428.21.0.pdf

 

[thomfantomas]

Per the the Fifth Circuit’s Order, “IT IS ORDERED that the appeal is EXPEDITED to the next available Oral Argument Calendar. IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that Appellants’ Opposed Motion For a Preliminary Injunction Pending Appeal is GRANTED as to the Plaintiffs in this case.”

FPC Secures Injunction Against ATF Pistol Brace Rule, Will Seek Clarification on Scope of Ruling

Today, Firearms Policy Coalition (FPC) released a statement on the Fifth Circuit’s Order granting an Injunction Pending Appeal in Mock v. Garland, FPC and FPC Action Foundation’s federal lawsuit challenging the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives’ (ATF’s) recent rule...

www.firearmspolicy.org

It means wait a little longer to wait some more

 

[Muleskinner]

It means wait a little longer to wait some more

I have zero plans on complying with this nonsense anyway..still it would be nice to see the ATF and gun grabbers eat crow.. again

 

[HaveBlue]

The order from 5CA shows FPC as a plaintiff.

 

[thomfantomas]

I have zero plans on complying with this nonsense anyway..still it would be nice to see the ATF and gun grabbers eat crow.. again

How many times did they flip-flop on SIG braces?

 

[Combloc]

I have zero plans on complying with this nonsense anyway..still it would be nice to see the ATF and gun grabbers eat crow.. again

You need not comply as the edict is going to be struck down. As I've said from the beginning, you cannot be touched as you have broken no law with regards to your brace(s). Just as with the fauxvid mandates, those who stood firm will be the ultimate winners while those who bowed will continue to be ruled.

 

[Bob A]

I'd like to think that the BATFE will eventually be renamed BATE. I'm waiting with bated breath.

 

[Apd09]

You need not comply as the edict is going to be struck down. As I've said from the beginning, you cannot be touched as you have broken no law with regards to your brace(s). Just as with the fauxvid mandates, those who stood firm will be the ultimate winners while those who bowed will continue to be ruled.

Fine, I’m one of the people that will continue to be ruled. You know why, because I don’t trust our legal system to get it done in time.
I want to continue to shoot my braced/sbr rifle and if that means filing some paperwork so on the off chance I got pulled over on my way to and from the range I’m not gonna be spending well over $0 which is what it cost me to get a stamp.

Why are we as responsible gun owners giving each other a hard time over doing what’s in our own best interest?

Others chose not to, hey I support them and their right and am not going to say it’s the wrong decision for them.

For me, I made my decision based on my thoughts of what’s best for me and my family.

And if I’m wrong well guess what, I’ve still got a brace, I’ve still got a buffer tube set, I’ve still got lowers in the safe looking to be built, so I’ll just build a new braced firearm. Problem solved.

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[Muleskinner]

How many times did they flip-flop on SIG braces?

Well considering every brace made had to be approved by the ATF every change was a flip flop

 

[Combloc]

Giving in to tyranny is in no way, shape, or form "responsible"; it's outright reckless.

These Men stood up for what was "best" for their families. They stood so that their children would not live in chains. The few elites cannot win against a massive "NO" by the population. The people were intended by our Forefathers to hold the power. Holding that power comes at a cost, but that cost is far less than the cost of surrendering it.

 

[Muleskinner]

You need not comply as the edict is going to be struck down. As I've said from the beginning, you cannot be touched as you have broken no law with regards to your brace(s). Just as with the fauxvid mandates, those who stood firm will be the ultimate winners while those who bowed will continue to be ruled.

Much of the reason we have any gun control is because many gun owners have been brainwashed into thinking being law abiding means complying with illegal infringement. The gun grabbers see that law abiders comply then they pass more infringement..until your rights are threatened completely.

 

[Combloc]

You get it brother. I salute you.

 

[thomfantomas]

Well considering every brace made had to be approved by the ATF every change was a flip flop

They no-yes then yes-no only to no-yes-no.

 

[Apd09]

Giving in to tyranny is in no way, shape, or form "responsible"; it's outright reckless.

These Men stood up for what was "best" for their families. They stood so that their children would not live in chains. The few elites cannot win against a massive "NO" by the population. The people were intended by our Forefathers to hold the power. Holding that power comes at a cost, but that cost is far less than the cost of surrendering it.

And yet people sit in the internet espousing their rights and not doing what our fore fathers did. Come on, you’re comparing apples and oranges here.
If you really feel that way then go out in the streets and take back your rights.

Otherwise were just letting the politicians and the legal system decide what is right or wrong. We’ve been fighting in the legal arena for decades not in the streets.

We should not be fighting with each other. I respect your position and I see your point but I don’t agree with it.


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[jrumann59]

Giving in to tyranny is in no way, shape, or form "responsible"; it's outright reckless.

These Men stood up for what was "best" for their families. They stood so that their children would not live in chains. The few elites cannot win against a massive "NO" by the population. The people were intended by our Forefathers to hold the power. Holding that power comes at a cost, but that cost is far less than the cost of surrendering it.

While I would agree. Many here are over barrel one way or the other based on employment, many here are bread winners and asking them to risk livelihood for themselves and their families for something that might, maybe or could happen is asking a lot. I get it, but for some right now this "fight" is not one they wish to risk their families' livelihood on. While all of this gets hashed out in court all it takes is some bad luck and someone gets hemmed up, if it eventually gets struck down while for many it will be business as usual but for those hemmed up the time in jail lost wages, fines etc no court ruling will make them 100% whole.

 

[[Kev308]]

Whether you complied or not should not be discussed on the internet. Both are reckless in their own way.