ATF Coming After Firearms with Stabilizing Braces

[alucard0822]

I would think there are a lot of pre 1/31/23 home built pistols that will be submitted on the tax free form 1. The only record of those pistols is the lower that was bought pre 1/31/23

Yup, lots of them. Free stamp for cheap form 1 lowers is nice too. Thing is they all have "approved with conditions", and the condition being "pursuant to Final rule 2021R-08F". Potential problem is if the rule is wiped out, they could potentially rescind all the tax exempt form 1s issued under it. Not a big deal if braced pistols end up being non-NFA again, but if you got your form and slapped a stock on it, might have trouble. Although would also be a massive problem and a solid chance of making SBRs unenforceable or no longer NFA items once it gets into the courts.

 

[Mike OTDP]

The big head-hurter is the firearms with braces that can't be SBR'd under MD law.

 

[Kharn]

Mock v Garland (Firearms Policy Coalition case) denied preliminary injunction or postponement of effective day of the rule, PDF here

 

[Mike1690]

Mock v Garland (Firearms Policy Coalition case) denied preliminary injunction or postponement of effective day of the rule, PDF here

Well that sucks

 

[jcutonilli]

Mock v Garland (Firearms Policy Coalition case) denied preliminary injunction or postponement of effective day of the rule, PDF here

The judge is considered a conservative.

Reed O'Connor - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Kharn]

Did FPC forget to detail the onerous registration process for NFA weapons, and needing a 5320.20 to cross state lines?

 

[RRomig]

The big head-hurter is the firearms with braces that can't be SBR'd under MD law.

Which and why?

 

[jcutonilli]

Which and why?

Those that meet the copycat weapon definition as they are currently banned by law.

 

[RRomig]

Those that meet the copycat weapon definition as they are currently banned by law.

Copy cat by which no no’s.
An example of a firearm and why would help. Thx

 

[jcutonilli]

Copy cat by which no no’s.
An example of a firearm and why would help. Thx

AR pistol w/brace <29" because it may be considered a copycat weapon. The new advisory did not clarify how the new brace rule would apply to the copycat weapon definition.

 

[Kharn]

Firearms under 29" overall length, that's just about any AR with a less than 11" barrel.

All AK rifles are banned.

Unless you convert them to single shot or .22lr

 

[RRomig]

This is from MSP.
They are not changing their definition of the braced pistols as per their bulletin that is also in this thread. I felt there was some gray area so after a few emails I received a response. There would probably be an issue if you submitted a form one living in MD for a SBR under 29” even with a copy of the bulletin and email. So what may be easier is to apply with the 29” length then change back to the original configuration. I don’t have a dog in this fight but I know a few who do. GL

 

[Boats]

Change your name to Hunter and all will be OK.

I have a freedom boner right now.

 

[smokey]

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This is from MSP.
They are not changing their definition of the braced pistols as per their bulletin that is also in this thread. I felt there was some gray area so after a few emails I received a response. There would probably be an issue if you submitted a form one living in MD for a SBR under 29” even with a copy of the bulletin and email. So what may be easier is to apply with the 29” length then change back to the original configuration. I don’t have a dog in this fight but I know a few who do. GL

So, if you SBR a braced pistol <29"... and then put a stock on it because it's a registered SBR... you're suddenly breaking the copycat weapon statute? In other words, if you have a braced <29" pistol and SBR it, the MSP dude is saying that even though it's federally recognized as a SBR, MSP will see it as a pistol if it has a brace on it? Sounds kind've like a trap from both the ATF and MSP. What they're saying doesn't line up with the laws they're claiming to enforce.

 

[RRomig]

Your reading what I’m reading.

 

[boss281]

Which and why?

I THINK that includes a CZ Scorpion pistol with a brace.

 

[wreckdiver]

Makes my head hurt.

 

[Doctor_M]

As it stands now (lawsuits notwithstanding) what is the compliance date?

 

[Doctor_M]

Edit that... what is the NONcompliace date?

 

[RRomig]

Edit that... what is the NONcompliace date?

1/31/23