Taking WWNC to White House!

[Deep Lurker]

Police happy too! It’s a great day for freedom!

 

[Deep Lurker]

Patriot families!

 

[Deep Lurker]

Speaking with new Patriot Picket fans!

 

[Deep Lurker]

Father & son Patriots!

 

[pcfixer]

New Patriots!

I like the pics. Great Job for all patriots there standing UP for Rights.

Even ladies WWNC. Wonderful and looking nice. Better than the Red Shirts.

https://www.documentcloud.org/docum...Settlement-Agreement.html#document/p2/a438492

 

[Vile Shadow]

This thread (and others) remind me of an unstable individual who's shouting at himself all day. This is not normal or rational behavior and can be a precursor to actions that end up in the news.

Yeah, it’s better to just bend over and take whatever the redcoats (or “shirts”) see fit to give us.

No.

 

[Art3]

Yeah, it’s better to just bend over and take whatever the redcoats (or “shirts”) see fit to give us.

No.

I'm pretty sure he was referring to the trollerific turn the thread took a few pated back, and not its original intent.

 

[Aventus]

Yeah, it’s better to just bend over and take whatever the redcoats (or “shirts”) see fit to give us.

No.

I believe you missed the meaning of my post but it's all good. As long as the voices are quiet in some individuals heads, it's a step in the right direction. Peace

 

[Vile Shadow]

I'm pretty sure he was referring to the trollerific turn the thread took a few pated back, and not its original intent.

I believe you missed the meaning of my post but it's all good. As long as the voices are quiet in some individuals heads, it's a step in the right direction. Peace

Oops... my bad.

 

[dblas]

How well does Maryland report mental health records to NICS? If not very well, I would want that shored up first and foremost before there is any discussion on UBC. Then, and only then, I would be alright with NICS across the board IF the HQL is dropped. I would even propose that for a first time gun owner on welfare, that the state pick up the first NICS check and pay the FFL a reasonable fee. We make sure that the mentally ill in Maryland cannot obtain a firearm very easily, because all law abiding gun owners would comply with the NICS check requirement for the seller, and we take care of the poor too that cannot afford to pay for a NICS check, much less jump through the hoops and cost of an HQL.

On the national level, it was my understanding that a registry could not be created from NICS, but I saw an e-mail notification earlier (cannot remember if it was from this thread or another) that stated NICS very well could be used for a registry. That will be something I need to research tomorrow night so I can be more informed on the matter.

I would go one step further...

How hard would it be for Maryland to report what is in the majority of the state level databases to NICS to cut down on the time needed to do the checks, as well as make the information complete on a national basis?

But instead of jumping on MSP to do this, we need to jump on The Maryland Department of Corrections and Public Safety, since they are the state agency tasked with maintaining the LE databases that MSP searches, as well as being the federal conduit for the state of Maryland, for all information transmitted to NICS.

After we get DCPS in order, we then need to get the county circuit courts to send that information to DCPS to end up in NICS with 100% completion and accuracy.

In the process, I would also like to see some sort of penalty for the state if in some way they fail to transmit the information, that leads to a prohibited person being able to acquire a firearm.

 

[pbharvey]

Well done Patriots

 

[dblas]

You didn’t qualify this before. You simply said that you were ok with UBCs covering secondary sales. I can pull the quote, but I’m pretty sure you know what I’m referring to. Maybe it was said in the heat of debate, and you didn’t quite mean it that way.

Ok, now that you are not ok with incrementalism, and want something in return for UBCs, how do you mechanistically achieve this in Maryland? What cards do we hold or levers can we pull? Are you (or like minded individuals) able to rally sufficient numbers of people to your side to do this so the other side will sit down with you? With the overwhelming support that you cite for UBCs, this must be easy. Many reasonable proposals are floated in the MGA to make current restrictions less onerous that die in committee and don’t even receive a floor vote. I think the very realistic concern is that (1) you will cede rhetorical ground with the proposal resulting in the argument that even the most ardent 2A supporters think NICS checks on secondary long gun sales are fine (I don’t - I’d love to see convincing data that this benefits the public) and (2) you’ve now made it easier for them to argue that their proposal to do NICS checks on temporary loans is valid as well.

With regards to sitting down with the other side, I don't believe anyone has approached MOMs or MDGV to go after this together.

As for what power do we have, it depends on how involved people want to get and the amount of time they want to invest. But my suggest would be to start with 13 simple rules from Mr. Alinsky on a small scale in a handful of legislative districts. We don't need money to have power, we need bodies and time.

 

[danb]

With regards to sitting down with the other side, I don't believe anyone has approached MOMs or MDGV to go after this together.

As for what power do we have, it depends on how involved people want to get and the amount of time they want to invest. But my suggest would be to start with 13 simple rules from Mr. Alinsky on a small scale in a handful of legislative districts. We don't need money to have power, we need bodies and time.

It isn't "incremental" if you give something in return for something else. Definitely not incremental then.

While I agree that rationally this sounds like a good idea., the fundamental problem is that the antis are not bargaining in good faith, and never have been. "public safety" is just a convenient trope they use when it suits them. This has nothing to do with public safety. People who are an imminent danger to themselves or others should be in jail. period. If it were about safety, they would support that. Antis are looking to ban guns incrementally. period. They are flat out prohibitionists, same as the prohibitionists of the 1900s banning alcohol. If you doubt me go back and re-read the sticky thread "In Their Own Words; A Blueprint to Ban Handguns by Joe Curran"

The immediate proof is that they are desperately fighting tooth and nail to dissolve the HPRB and salvage their ridiculous scheme of rationing carry permits. If they were in any way rational negotiators, they would realize shall issue is inevitable at this point and trade G&S for whatever they think they want. I think people around here would jump for joy if we got HQL=carry permit and traded it for UBCs or whatever. There is no trade even remotely on the table like that, which means all people can do is play defense, stop further infringements, and hold the line until we get a ruling or three from the Supreme Court, the first of which will come as soon as next year.

 

[Dereks_wife]

Experienced Patriots!

Looking good fellers!

 

[Deep Lurker]

Patriotism is photogenic!

 

[jefflac02]

It’s game day. Represent well my fellow patriots!! Wish I could have been there. But the oldest has basketball playoffs today. God bless you all.


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[Deep Lurker]

It was fantastic to talk to Americans from all over the country visiting Washington, as well as foreign visitors very interested in our message.

What a positive reception we enjoyed talking with regular folks about how we will not comply with new gun laws in Maryland; we encouraged them all to take this freedom message back to their home state to fight infringements there and to restore our Second Amendment.

What a day to be in front of The White House to showcase those messages on signs, with our Patriot Picket banner and our Maryland Patriot flags flapping in the breeze - - roll the video!

 

[mac1_131]

Hi Rack LOL

Strong work down there.

 

[Aventus]

It was fantastic to talk to Americans from all over the country visiting Washington, as well as foreign visitors very interested in our message.

What a great reception we received talking with regular folks about how we will not comply with new gun laws in Maryland; we encouraged them all to take this freedom message back to their home state to fight infringements there and to restore our Second Amendment.

What a day to be in front of The White House to showcase those messages on signs, with our Patriot Picket banner and our Maryland Patriot flags flapping in the breeze - - roll the video!

I love those flags, very noticeable. You needs some big a$$ 4'x6' WWNC flags with those long painters poles. I'll contribute money to some flags!!!

 

[Blacksmith101]

Possibly throw in harsher prison sentences for violent criminals in return for UBC.

How about imposing sentences as written instead of using them as plea bargaining chips.