Wear and Carry Application Number as of July 14

[dblas]

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[Name Taken]

See...Governor Hogan has made a difference.

 

[vetogunban]

I think the deceptive part of this is that of the 2,250 applications, how many are from average citizens who would like to carry a weapon for protection. Listening to some of the recordings from the HPRB, I would not bother trying to get a wear/carry permit.

 

[doublins]

As of July 14, 2016, there have been 2,033 new handgun permit applications, averaging 73 /week, which is a 38% increase from 2015.

As of July 14, 2016, there have been 2,250 handgun permit renewal apps, averaging 80/week, which is the same compared to 2015.

As of July 14, 2016, there have been 96 handgun permit denials (includes new/renewal), averaging 3/week, which is -25% compared to 2015.

The above numbers come directly from Captain Stachurski at LD.

In this state- any movement in the right direction is a cause for celebration.

That said- this puts the approval rating for applications at 97.75%, beyond corroborating what Gov. Hogan said.

Which means, the only way to FIX the problem for the average citizen, is for MORE PEOPLE TO APPLY. Nobody will believe that anything needs to be changed if there is a 98% approval rate.

 

[dblas]

In this state- any movement in the right direction is a cause for celebration.

That said- this puts the approval rating for applications at 97.75%, beyond corroborating what Gov. Hogan said.

Which means, the only way to FIX the problem for the average citizen, is for MORE PEOPLE TO APPLY. Nobody will believe that anything needs to be changed if there is a 98% approval rate.

This absolutely the message we need to be putting out there.

From me and repeated by Captain Stachurski of LD - People need to apply and if denied appeal to the HPRB before they can comment and complain about the wear and carry permit system in Maryland.

And if you applied a couple of years ago and got denied, apply again today and see what happens.

 

[basscat]

Put me in the "denied" category. Stats did nothing for me.

 

[Doitsouthstyle]

Other then out a $100+

 

[lonzo]

As of July 14, 2016, there have been 2,033 new handgun permit applications, averaging 73 /week, which is a 38% increase from 2015.

As of July 14, 2016, there have been 2,250 handgun permit renewal apps, averaging 80/week, which is the same compared to 2015.

As of July 14, 2016, there have been 96 handgun permit denials (includes new/renewal), averaging 3/week, which is -25% compared to 2015.

The above numbers come directly from Captain Stachurski at LD.

Might want to ask what does their backlog looks like and are the numbers from the general public or are some of the numbers include LEOs.

So out of 2033 new apps, less than 96 were denied(since there is both new and renewals with no real numbers from each)? is this from MSP and the board or just MSP cause I don't believe the numbers..I call BS but no way of knowing for sure...

...Mine took 6 months "investigate" ask for more information...

 

[BUFF7MM]

I'll not apply again until they change G&S, I'm not giving the bloodsuckers any more money than I have to. Besides last time I applied it took them like 28 months, yes right at 2 1/2 years to finally officially deny me in front of the HPRB.

 

[montoya32]

I think the deceptive part of this is that of the 2,250 applications, how many are from average citizens who would like to carry a weapon for protection. Listening to some of the recordings from the HPRB, I would not bother trying to get a wear/carry permit.

They were renewals, so not really breaking any ground re-issuing to people who already had them under O'Malley.

 

[44man]

so now unless we throw away our time for the class, the money for the class and the money for the application and the who knows how long time waiting to be denied and then waiting who knows how long to go to the hprb to turn us down we aren't allowed to complain about one of the most onerous ccw process in the country?

well shit, since the msp have spoken I will quit writing letters and emails to my reps and the governor, or maybe not.

edit: so the cost of being allowed to complain is what ? $400 for the class, $75 for the app and $50ish for the fingerprints? so $550 is the cost of being allowed to complain?

shyte, I have a couple of non resident ccw permits and I didn't spend but about a third of that. how is that right? woops, I forgot I am not allowed to complain.......

 

[montoya32]

This absolutely the message we need to be putting out there.

From me and repeated by Captain Stachurski of LD - People need to apply and if denied appeal to the HPRB before they can comment and complain about the wear and carry permit system in Maryland.

And if you applied a couple of years ago and got denied, apply again today and see what happens.

And we need to get rid of the BS requirement to complete training before applying. Apply, get approved, then get 90 days to train in order to be issued the permit. Just like DC. Blowing $400 for a class plus ammo is wrong.

 

[Blacksmith101]

This absolutely the message we need to be putting out there.

From me and repeated by Captain Stachurski of LD - People need to apply and if denied appeal to the HPRB before they can comment and complain about the wear and carry permit system in Maryland.

And if you applied a couple of years ago and got denied, apply again today and see what happens.

Living on a fixed income I can not afford to risk the funds unless there is a high likelihood of an approval. I have already invested over $100 (also need a computer with the correct operating system and travel to a LiveScan location) just for the permission to purchase a handgun, don't forget the seven day wait and transfer fees and redundant background checks.

Since I do not own a business nor do I have police documented threats/attacks against my person and am just a law abiding senior citizen who realizes there is an increased general level of threat (see murder rates in Baltimore) and a diminished ability to physically defend myself (due to age and general health) who would like to exercise his God given, Constitutionally guaranteed inalienable right to personal protection. I believe the likelihood of a positive outcome is too slim to risk throwing away the money which can be better used elsewhere. It is a shame that the most vulnerable citizens, the poor, the uneducated, the elderly, and the sick and handicapped who are most in need of protection find the Maryland Legislature and the Maryland State Police Licensing Division have placed it out of their reach because of price, technology, and transportation issues that result in no increase in public safety. How many senior citizen permit holders have committed crimes Captain Stachurski?

Perhaps the flip side of the coin is the MSP need to approve more permits to prove the restrictions are really necessary. Nationwide the carry permit holders have a lower rate of misusing firearms than the police. I have no doubt that in any shall issue state in the country I would be approved for a permit based on my character, record, and experience with firearms but I will not risk the money to find out if the arbitrary and capricious may issue scheme in Maryland will work in my favor. If the good captain does not believe I would be issued a permit in a shall issue state I would be happy to talk to him and present all my credentials for his review, and if he says I have a better than 50/50 chance I will then make an application.

 

[Blacksmith101]

As of July 14, 2016, there have been 2,033 new handgun permit applications, averaging 73 /week, which is a 38% increase from 2015.

As of July 14, 2016, there have been 2,250 handgun permit renewal apps, averaging 80/week, which is the same compared to 2015.

As of July 14, 2016, there have been 96 handgun permit denials (includes new/renewal), averaging 3/week, which is -25% compared to 2015.

The above numbers come directly from Captain Stachurski at LD.

The missing number in the above is just how many of the 4,283 new and renewal applications have completed the approval process? Is that 96 denials and 4,197 approvals or is it 96 denials 100 approved and 4,097 applications pending? Certainly some of the 2,033 new applications this year have yet to be either approved or denied based on what members report on how long the process takes. Also some people have reported applications being returned with no action taken.

 

[Dingo3]

I cannot justify the money spent to be denied. That is all there is too it. I would love nothing more than to be able to afford chasing my rights. But knowing that I may as well flush my money for all the good it will do, I'll buy groceries instead.

I wish the best of luck to those who have the means.

 

[CrueChief]

The missing number in the above is just how many of the 4,283 new and renewal applications have completed the approval process? Is that 96 denials and 4,197 approvals or is it 96 denials 100 approved and 4,097 applications pending? Certainly some of the 2,033 new applications this year have yet to be either approved or denied based on what members report on how long the process takes. Also some people have reported applications being returned with no action taken.

Since the numbers are a running total it would be impossible for it to be like this. And with most reporting them using almost every one of the 90 days to send out the permit. One could extrapolate the numbers by using the weekly average to get as close ass possible for government work. And I would expect that most of the denials would most likely have been denied some what quickly as the investigators would likely not want to waste their time on a sure denial. Since by the numbers they are most likely very busy.

Not that any of this helps the average citizen, but is just the numbers.

 

[Lloyd]

Living on a fixed income I can not afford to risk the funds unless there is a high likelihood of an approval.

Sounds like discrimination to me and grounds for a law suit

 

[Gryphon]

In this state- any movement in the right direction is a cause for celebration.

That said- this puts the approval rating for applications at 97.75%, beyond corroborating what Gov. Hogan said.

Which means, the only way to FIX the problem for the average citizen, is for MORE PEOPLE TO APPLY. Nobody will believe that anything needs to be changed if there is a 98% approval rate.

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[Gryphon]

so now unless we throw away our time for the class, the money for the class and the money for the application and the who knows how long time waiting to be denied and then waiting who knows how long to go to the hprb to turn us down we aren't allowed to complain about one of the most onerous ccw process in the country?

well shit, since the msp have spoken I will quit writing letters and emails to my reps and the governor, or maybe not.

edit: so the cost of being allowed to complain is what ? $400 for the class, $75 for the app and $50ish for the fingerprints? so $550 is the cost of being allowed to complain?

shyte, I have a couple of non resident ccw permits and I didn't spend but about a third of that. how is that right? woops, I forgot I am not allowed to complain.......

You can complain all you want. It took me 14 months and well over $500 and lots of time to get a non-restricted MD permit. Only $14 and less than 4 days to get a non-resident PA permit. Aren't both in America and subject to the 2A? Complain away, but pitch in any small way you can to reclaim our rights.

 

[Blacksmith101]

Sounds like discrimination to me and grounds for a law suit

Yeah, and who is gonna pay for that? I chip in what I can when I can to various 2nd Amendment causes but there are more causes than funds.