Polytech M14s and H&K HK MR556 NOT banned in MD

[Augie]

Does it say M14's are banned? Fulton's are marked M14 not M1A, M1A is a Springfield Armory copywrited designation. As far as I know all other M14 manufacturers such as LRB also use M14.

 

[Pinecone]

Also, the L1A1 was a licensed copy of the FN FAL. I agree with Bill that it's a hell of a stretch, given the wording in the list (which isn't specific).

AG is the one that defined copy.

I thought that many of the inch parts will not drop into the metric rifles. Some would, but not all. Can you thread an inch barrel into a metric upper?

I know the mags are different.

 

[Pinecone]

This Fulton Armory very similar to Polytech only quality. Have submitted request to MSP. Pricing seems ridiculous though.

Fulton is fully interchangeable parts with Springfield. Both are to US GI dimensions and specs.

 

[Xander]

I didn't know Springfield made all of these so I checked. They made all of them but the G3, They didn't make the G3, they sold a SAR3 or a SAR8.

Springfield imported a few Greek SARs that were marked "G3."

 

[AwesomeBill]

AG is the one that defined copy.

I thought that many of the inch parts will not drop into the metric rifles. Some would, but not all. Can you thread an inch barrel into a metric upper?

I know the mags are different.

Yes, barrels are fully interchangeable between metric and "inch". Bolt internals can not swap, but complete bolts and carriers can. Metric mags will work in inch-cut receivers, but not vice-versa. Hammer/Trigger/Sear groups are different, but the complete lower Trigger Housing will swap between patterns. All "major" components are completely interchangeable, even if not every individual part is.

The Threads are almost all exactly the same. A few are different, and most of those are different type of wood screws to go into the stock. The term "inch" is a mis-nomer. The threads were not re done in inch patterns. "Inch" was simply shorthand to designate the FAL derivative that was used by Commonwealth countries.

Don't get me wrong, I would LOVE to be able to purchase L1A1 marked receivers. In fact, I have some very sad and lonely inch kits that could use some receivers. I just don't see that going through. Hell, I'll be more than happy to make the argument FOR the differences to the state. I just wouldn't get your hopes up.

 

[AwesomeBill]

Springfield imported a few Greek SARs that were marked "G3."

Yup, Springfield imported Greek HK-91 / G3 pattern rifles as well as Brazilian IMBEL FAL pattern rifles for quite a while. Both were factory new semi autos and very high quality.

 

[Combloc]

Correct. every bit as good as HK's and FN's.

 

[AwesomeBill]

Please, please, please, do not say stuff like this unless you have sat down with a true FN FAL and a Century Arms L1A1 and tried to switch out every internal component and see if the weapon functioned. There are various internal components of the L1A1 that will NOT function in a metric FAL and vice versa.

Never claimed that all 180+ parts swapped. I claimed that every major component swapped. That was by design. Complete trigger housings swap, even if only 2/3rds of the trigger housing internals do. Etc, etc, etc.

Century "L1A1" guns were brit and aussie part slapped on IMBEL and FMAP metric receivers. Some of those receivers had crude mods by Century to use inch mags.

I've built, torn down, and rebuilt plenty of FAL pattern guns. I'll be more than happy to detail the parts that DO NOT interchange in an attempt to get Commonwealth pattern FALs off of the no-no list. I just won't hold my breath.

 

[NateIU10]

Please, do NOT submit random firearms to the MSP, ESPECIALLY if you do not have a legitimate, thorough argument that it is not banned. We are our own worst enemy sometimes. There is a lot at stake here and actions have consequences.

 

[RRHemi]

Please, do NOT submit random firearms to the MSP, ESPECIALLY if you do not have a legitimate, thorough argument that it is not banned. We are our own worst enemy sometimes. There is a lot at stake here and actions have consequences.

This is really good advice. It seems that Engage is doing most of this work. Is there another group that folks should submit there requests to in order to have them properly submitted?

 

[OrbitalEllipses]

Please, do NOT submit random firearms to the MSP, ESPECIALLY if you do not have a legitimate, thorough argument that it is not banned. We are our own worst enemy sometimes. There is a lot at stake here and actions have consequences.

It's like folks want to hand out a list of other stuff MSP should ban...goodness.

 

[T-Man]

In the interest of celebrating this ruling, I have a Polytech m14 that I haven't shot in a while if anyone is looking to buy one. Shoot me a pm.
Tom

 

[cromwellsfirearms]

Would Fulton's M14 be a go?

For now and until we hear otherwise, the M14 does not meet the banned language; i.e., it is not an M1A copy (completely interchangeable parts) nor is it a Copy Cat long gun. Again, until MSP tells us otherwise, we will sell this firearm as a cash-n-carry long gun.

 

[Pinecone]

Yes, barrels are fully interchangeable between metric and "inch". Bolt internals can not swap, but complete bolts and carriers can. Metric mags will work in inch-cut receivers, but not vice-versa. Hammer/Trigger/Sear groups are different, but the complete lower Trigger Housing will swap between patterns. All "major" components are completely interchangeable, even if not every individual part is.

The Threads are almost all exactly the same. A few are different, and most of those are different type of wood screws to go into the stock. The term "inch" is a mis-nomer. The threads were not re done in inch patterns. "Inch" was simply shorthand to designate the FAL derivative that was used by Commonwealth countries.

Don't get me wrong, I would LOVE to be able to purchase L1A1 marked receivers. In fact, I have some very sad and lonely inch kits that could use some receivers. I just don't see that going through. Hell, I'll be more than happy to make the argument FOR the differences to the state. I just wouldn't get your hopes up.

AG letter states that all the internal parts must swap and have the firearm function. Swapping the lower to fit the FCG is not swappable internal parts.

Same with the bolt internals.

 

[AwesomeBill]

AG letter states that all the internal parts must swap and have the firearm function. Swapping the lower to fit the FCG is not swappable internal parts.

Same with the bolt internals.

If that's the standard, then the prospect is looking better.

 

[NateIU10]

For now and until we hear otherwise, the M14 does not meet the banned language; i.e., it is not an M1A copy (completely interchangeable parts) nor is it a Copy Cat long gun. Again, until MSP tells us otherwise, we will sell this firearm as a cash-n-carry long gun.

Sir, this applies SOLELY to M14s with non interchangeable components. The Fulton gun is an Assault Long Gun banned in Maryland. Selling such is illegal within this state. Also, this has to do with copies, not copycat firearms.

 

[NateIU10]

AG letter states that all the internal parts must swap and have the firearm function. Swapping the lower to fit the FCG is not swappable internal parts.

Same with the bolt internals.

The AG letter predates MSP's guidance on copies, and does not state fully interchangeable internals. MSP bulletins 10-1 and 10-2 are the standards we use now, and are far more favorable than the AG opinion.

 

[clandestine]

For now and until we hear otherwise, the M14 does not meet the banned language; i.e., it is not an M1A copy (completely interchangeable parts) nor is it a Copy Cat long gun. Again, until MSP tells us otherwise, we will sell this firearm as a cash-n-carry long gun.

 

[RRHemi]

Sir, this applies SOLELY to M14s with non interchangeable components. The Fulton gun is an Assault Long Gun banned in Maryland. Selling such is illegal within this state. Also, this has to do with copies, not copycat firearms.

Since the M1A is specifically banned thus leaving the Polytech as legal I do not understand why any other "M14" would be banned. I am sure Fulton or any other mfg. did not create their gun with the intent of copying an M1A. Is the M1A really a copy of an M14? Weren't M14's select fire? Doesn't this make the M1A a copy of a gun that didn't exist? They banned the M1A specifically, they should be stuck with their ignorance. These semi-auto rifles should be subjected to feature tests, which they would pass, especially since this is the last gun someone is going to try and sneak into a mall, school, or theater. Everyone, including the MSP knows this.

 

[Tman68]

This is really good advice. It seems that Engage is doing most of this work. Is there another group that folks should submit there requests to in order to have them properly submitted?

Vince at Duffy's does alot for the roster and has threads on the list of guns he is submitting, taking request and working customers and Atlantic firearms to get these guns for submittal. Duffy's should get a lot of credit too!