Well now AR15 lower illegal

[clandestine]

There are ways to destroy markings but I won't get into details on the forum.

 

[ericoak]

We need to eliminate this bureaucracy, or at least get the NRA to put a serious muzzle on it.

 

[silanehead]

All of the polymers I've seen have that little plate embedded. Not that I'm gonna try digging them out to see how easy it would be.
The question is, what's the possibility of ALL polymer firearms being made technically illegal all at once.

 

[armed ferret]

We need to eliminate this bureaucracy, or at least get the NRA to put a serious muzzle on it.

it has nothing to do with hunting guns. the NRA doesn't give a flying ****.

 

[SRD]

All of the polymers I've seen have that little plate embedded. Not that I'm gonna try digging them out to see how easy it would be.
The question is, what's the possibility of ALL polymer firearms being made technically illegal all at once.

Seems to be a trend lately (started with the 80%'ers) with BATFE.

 

[hdatontodo]

Its true. You actually can retrieve a completely destroyed serial # if its been removed from metal. It can be retrieved even if its been removed by a dremel, deeply scratched ect. Don't ask me how, don't ask me for links to a web site, but I know for a fact a crime lab can retrieve that number. Now if its been removed with a CNC machine then it could be gone forever.

Saw a pic once of a steel pistol frame sitting on a big magnet and someone with metallic spray.

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[TxAggie]

I can remove a serial # off any old eagle arms at lower with a screwdriver too. With a dremel, or cut off tool, I could remove the SN off any AR lower in 30 seconds.

Interesting...

We're dealing with politicians and bureaucrats here, they aren't smart enough to figure that one out.

 

[dgapilot]

I would think if the SN was cut into the metal and then that surface were milled off, nothing could be retrieved. If, on the other hand, the SN is stamped into the base metal, the grain boundaries will still show the deformation from the stamping well below the surface.

 

[Threeband]

At least 40 years ago I read about the FBI recovering obliterated serial numbers by examining the molecular disturbance of the of the remaining metal. It's old technology, x-rays, perhaps. Think of writing on a pad of paper, then tearing off the top ten pages: the writing might still be recovered from the 11th page. Lazy and stupid criminals usually don't remove much metal.

I'm sure you could remove the number on a AR by drilling all the way through, and milling out a neat little "window", though I'm sure that would cut into the resale value.

 

[Inigoes]

I'm sure you could remove the number on a AR by drilling all the way through, and milling out a neat little "window", though I'm sure that would cut into the resale value.

I hear street corners in Baltimore are paying premium

 

[ericoak]

it has nothing to do with hunting guns. the NRA doesn't give a flying ****.

They quickly neutered the federal AWB and magazine ban last year.

But yea they definitely seem to care less.

 

[Mr H]

Metal serial numbers plates attached to polymer firearms must be embedded in such a way that removing them will significantly damage or destroy the firearm

Not my final answer... but I think I'm probably OK with this.

If you want an unserialized lower, that's your business... but there are still ways to go about it without--at the very least--making yourself appear to be up to no good.

 

[lee2]

COULDN'T THIS BE DONE WITH A GLOCK?

 

[SCARCQB]

Most serial numbers are stamped onto metal using substantial pressure. This process disturbs the molecular stucture of the metal where the serial number is stamped onto. the molecular structures compresses a bit and will have a subtle difference with the metal in the surrounding area. This pattern goes deep into the metal. Even if the serial number is ground off, the variation of the metal structure caused by the serial number stamping process can be made to stand out by chemical, mechanical or radiological methodology.

 

[clandestine]

COULDN'T THIS BE DONE WITH A GLOCK?

Yop, just break off the railed dust cover.

 

[eruby]

Most serial numbers are stamped onto metal using substantial pressure. This process disturbs the molecular stucture of the metal where the serial number is stamped onto. the molecular structures compresses a bit and will have a subtle difference with the metal in the surrounding area. This pattern goes deep into the metal. Even if the serial number is ground off, the variation of the metal structure caused by the serial number stamping process can be made to stand out by chemical, mechanical or radiological methodology.

Kind of like Ben Grimm.

 

[Jaybeez]

Its true. You actually can retrieve a completely destroyed serial # if its been removed from metal. It can be retrieved even if its been removed by a dremel, deeply scratched ect. Don't ask me how, don't ask me for links to a web site, but I know for a fact a crime lab can retrieve that number. Now if its been removed with a CNC machine then it could be gone forever.

drill bit and handheld drill removes everything, nothing left to examine, and are way more common than dremmels, and cheaper than cnc mills.

have you seen the skeletonized lowers? those have everything except the sn removed.

 

[Kman]

2 New Frontier lowers in my safe.

How long before "they" come for them?

 

[ST19AG_WGreymon]

So what happens now?

 

[armed ferret]

You wait for ATF to contact you.