Stripped lowers legal?

[swinokur]

He probably won't acknowledge it for professional and ethical reasons, but I will publicly thank Nate for his effort in this and many other activities relating to MD firearms law.

 

[OrbitalEllipses]

He probably won't acknowledge it for professional and ethical reasons, but I will publicly thank Nate for his effort in this and many other activities relating to MD firearms law.

He's a solid dude and good to shoot the shit with, too!

 

[mxrider]

Which members do we have to thank for this?

I think it's clear that Nate has been a pivotal part in this. Don't know about any others but I'm sure there are some.

Thanks Nate!

 

[Alphabrew]

Nate is the MAN!!!

 

[NateIU10]

I would like to take all of the credit for this, but I cannot.

 

[swinokur]

Ok-take whatever portion you like

THANK YOU

 

[fabsroman]

Sure, but it doesn't become said regulated firearm until you build it into said pistol. You're just as likely to make it into a non-regulated HBAR, or single shot rifle, or crossbow, etc. after you buy it. How can they claim that it would be regulated when purchased but then non-regulated once built into an HBAR? Especially since it doesn't have a basis in the law.

They might be claiming that it could be made into a regulated item, and since there is no process to check what you make it into, they are assuming that it will be made into a regulated item.

I agree that it could be made into a lot of things that are unregulated, but you also have to agree that it can be built up into a regulated item.

The thing here is that there is nothing in the law that specifically addresses this issue because I doubt the vast majority of the General Assembly even know what an AR lower is, much less that the same lower can be used in multiple firearms.

I am trying to spec out a .300 AAC blackout build and figuring this stuff out and the SBR stuff out is driving me nuts, and I am an attorney. I have no idea why MSP and ATF cannot make this a lot simpler. Oh yeah, we live in Maryland.

If I can get a new lower right now for this build and the Form 1 is being approved by the ATF, then I am going to draft up a trust, buy a new lower, and build the rifle, keeping my pre 10/1/13 lowers for banned configurations.

 

[fidelity]

I would like to take all of the credit for this, but I cannot.

Nonetheless, thanks for whatever contributions these are as well as efforts on this and other threads to clarify current regulations and faults in reasoning/potential application of the law. None of which is construed as legal advice of course ...

 

[swinokur]

Does this now mean you could buy a lower and Form 4 it into an SBR as long as it meets the copycat provisions and is on the roster?

 

[backhome426]

Does this now mean you could buy a lower and Form 4 it into an SBR as long as it meets the copycat provisions and is on the roster?

Yes. On roster if purchased as complete.

Not on roster if you built from lower.

At least what I was told.

 

[fabsroman]

Does this now mean you could buy a lower and Form 4 it into an SBR as long as it meets the copycat provisions and is on the roster?

I thought you would need to do a Form 1 on it if you are building it up.

The issue with making an SBR out of it is that the SBR is considered a handgun per Maryland law and the ATF is supposedly getting hung up on this issue. The thread I have been following in the SBR forum is a nightmare.

http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?p=3214882&page=3

 

[swinokur]

If a lower that is part of a pistol/sbr is on the roster why couldn't I buy just the lower and put any upper on it if it meets the copycat provisions? The lower is the firearm.

 

[fabsroman]

Yes. On roster if purchased as complete.

Not on roster if you built from lower.

At least what I was told.

Does the ATF understand this and is the ATF approving Form 1 for an AR-15 SBR now?

 

[swinokur]

I thought you would need to do a Form 1 on it if you are building it up.

The issue with making an SBR out of it is that the SBR is considered a handgun per Maryland law and the ATF is supposedly getting hung up on this issue. The thread I have been following in the SBR forum is a nightmare.

http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?p=3214882&page=3

true, but if MSP is now saying a stripped lower is legal to purchase, why couldn't you buy it, and transfer it via a Form 4, as long as it's listed on the roster and meets the copycat provisions?

 

[NateIU10]

Does the ATF understand this and is the ATF approving Form 1 for an AR-15 SBR now?

It appears so

http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=156305

 

[backhome426]

If a lower that is part of a pistol/sbr is on the roster why couldn't I buy just the lower and put any upper on it if it meets the copycat provisions? The lower is the firearm.

You can! Just not an upper with less than 16" and a stock. Just put whatever upper and a pistol stock. Pistol. Done.

But you can do that with any lower now.

If you wanted to SBR it and are worried about the approval pick something from the roster. HBAR or Pistol, use whatever lower.

IMO

 

[fabsroman]

true, but if MSP is now saying a stripped lower is legal to purchase, why couldn't you buy it, and transfer it via a Form 4, as long as it's listed on the roster and meets the copycat provisions?

Huh? What are you transferring? A stripped lower, a pistol, or an SBR?

By the way, just got my answer on the SBR issue. .300 AAC Blackout SBR here I come.

http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?p=3292534#poststop

 

[fabsroman]

It appears so

http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=156305

lol - I saw that too when I went to look for the nightmare thread.

 

[OrbitalEllipses]

lol - I saw that too when I went to look for the nightmare thread.

What a mess that is/was.

 

[backhome426]

What a mess that is/was.

Was. Stay positive.